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I'm no longer a Snyder fan.

Snyder is a broken record at this point. I have yet to see him make in-game adjustments. The dude NEVER rides the wave, so to speak. I have yet to see the bench players get more burn if they're playing better than the starting unit. There just isn't any justification to have DNP's for Mudiay at this point.

Also, Snyder doesn't have any timeout awareness... big double digit runs combined with scoring droughts.. where are the timeouts? We're still running the blender when teams have it figured out. Watching our offense looks like we run about 3-5 actions and that's it. He's an overrated coach. Anybody could coach a team with Rudy Gobert and have a winning record.

I don't agree with your first point here. Against San Antonio, we rode Mudiay. He played great, gave us a spark, scored some points then got tired. Quin rested him for about a minute then forced him back in there. Mudiay went on to finish the game pretty poorly. There have been other examples of forcing it with Clarkson in the hopes he stays white hot. Although Clarkson can score in bunches, it's not realistic to put all the offense on one guy for that long while taking the ball out of the offense.

As for your second point, I agree completely. This is where he fails. The massive run to end the 2nd quarter against San Antonio is a clear cut example of not knowing what to do at the right time. A few point deficit turned into a 20 point deficit in a matter of minutes. No timeout. Terrible coaching.
 
What does Conley have to do with it? It's a collective issue.

I don't get it because you can't get past some sweeping statements.

ok let me break it down for you, I don't see you on here a lot so I was stating that Conley sucks yet Quin loves him and doesn't have the balls to sit him for the likes of a hot hand like mudiay.

DL and Zanik have built a team with many glaring weaknesses, they paid too much for Conley and didn't address our need for a backup C. Bradley sucks and the team lacks desire and hustle. I said play the hungry guys, as a coach you need to shake things up, so I'm blaming, Conley, the coach, and our management.
 
http://mizzoufans.blogspot.com/2006/01/quin-snyder-is-tease.html


Quin Snyder is a tease...

By Born-a-Tiger
Before this season, I told myself I wouldn't let it happen. I wouldn't let Missouri basketball tease me with its potential, with its talent. I wouldn't let myself think of the team playing to its ability, achieving what it could and should have achieved. Because if there is one constant in the Quin Snyder era, it is the inconsistent product on the court. An inconsistent team is the most certain sign of a poorly coached team. Quin's legacy will be underachieving and playing to the level of his opponents. But, like the $5 hooker tempting me from down the street, Quin did it again. He sucked me in, made me believe. As always, that was a mistake.
If Quin was as good at getting his team up as he is at getting himself up (if you know what I mean. Ask Linas Kleiza, or even better, Kleiza's ex-girlfriend, or any member of the Golden Girls), MU would be a national power. His team has to get itself up, and that only happens for big games. Let's take a look at Quin's teams, shall we?

Year One: 1999-2000
This probably is the only Quin Snyder team that DIDN'T underachieve. Great shooting, great guards, no size. If there had been a decent power forward, this team could have made some noise. As it was, getting to the NCAA Tourney was a nice accomplishment. But the credit does not go to Quin Snyder... because this team had the one thing he has been unable to find in all his time as the Tigers' coach—a point guard. Two of them, actually—Keyon Dooling and Brian Grawer. Ah, it was nice.
Year Two: 2000-2001
A promising freshman class that included two good big men (well... maybe one and a half) joined budding star Kareem Rush, star shooter Clarence Gilbert and old reliable, Brian Grawer. Another team that probably got to the level it should have—a second-round drubbing by Duke in the NCAA tournament—but it was wildly inconsistent through the season... hmm... a sign of things to come? Still, MU looked like a team on the rise...
Year Three: 2001-2002
How sad is it that Quin's best year as MU's head coach was a season that saw Mizzou climb to No. 2 in the polls, fall out of them, earn a No. 12 seed in the tournament, then race to the Elite 8 (where, but for a terrible shooting day by Clarence Gilbert and a few very questionable calls that went OU's way, Mizzou might have earned its first Final Four appearance)? It tells the story of his coaching career... MU had top 5 talent... except at point guard. That lack of talent prevented the team from reaching its potential. Quin is rewarded for his inconsistent, uneven season with a fat contract extension.
Year Four: 2002-2003
Enter the Clemons. Kareem's out, lil' Ricky is in. Crazy threes, crazy girlfriends. Hitting big shots... hitting his girlfriend. Missouri again is wildly inconsistent—A.J. becomes a star, but the guards can't get him the ball. The season ends in typical fashion—great performances by Ricky Paulding—who outplayed Dwyane Wade, yes that Dwyane Wade—and A.J. are wasted by disappearing acts from Travon Bryant and Clemons. The worst moment: watching Kevin Young forget that Marquette's Steve Novak is a really, really, really, good shooter. Watching Young continually let Novak get wide-open looks from 3 in the OT... all of which Novak drains, sending MU's season into the toilet.
Year Five: 2003-2004
Kick the Clemons out. With lil' Ricky the distraction out and new pass-first point guard Randy Pulley, high-scoring transfer Jason Conley and freshman studs Linas Kleiza and Thomas Gardner in, Missouri again was a preseason Top 10. What's not to like: a high-scoring, experienced inside-outside combo in Arthur Johnson and Ricky Paulding. Two talented, versatile four men. A strong defender and ball distributor at point guard. Instant offense off the bench in the former NCAA scoring leader. I'll tell you what's not to like: One freshman stud (Kleiza) who can't get along with his teammates and is a BIT of a ball hog. A point guard who may be able to dribble but is such a bad shooter, he makes Doug Gottlieb look good. And the usual wildly inconsistent, poorly coached effort. Nice work, Quin. Way to miss the NCAA tournament for the first time despite having your most talented roster to date.
Year Six: 2004-2005
The wheels fall off. I won't spend much time here. You know the theme by now: flashes of brilliance shattered by shards of mediocrity. Playing to the level of the opponent. Inconsistency. Schtlupping your best player's girlfriend and getting caught. Losing to freakin' DePaul in the freakin' NIT.
Year Seven: 2005-2006
The nail in the coffin. Damn you Quin, damn you. This season hurts more than any other. Why? Because for the first time since Year Two, I started to believe that MAYBE you had actually developed coaching ability. The way you righted the team after the debacle in St. Louis had me thinking that you had it figured out. Your team was listening to you. The players were playing hard and with heart. The comeback against kU showed tenacity and fight and never-say-die, things not always seen from your squads. But like the second verse in a bad song or trilogy, it all came crashing down. Inconsistency reared its ugly head in the form of THREE straight ugly, ugly, ugly Big 12 losses.

So f*** you, Quin. Take your sleazy, sweet-talking, players-girlfriend-humping, underachieving, can't-coach act somewhere else. Take that piece of teflon-coated sh*t Mike Alden with you, too. Please. Go back to Washington. Go back to Duke. Hell, go spend the rest of your life practicing law. That's what you seem best suited for... God knows you aren't suited to be a basketball coach. Many list their accomplishments when they go—I'm going to do a quick list of your failures

Jimmy McKinney—He's the best example of your inability to develop a player's natural ability. He had all the tools to be an all Big 12, high-scoring guard. But you couldn't get him over the hump; he has showed very little improvement under your tutelage. Other players I could have mentioned: Travon Bryant, Ricky Paulding, Linas Kleiza, Jeffrey Ferguson, Najeeb Echols and many more.

Running a program on the cusp of joining the elite back into mediocrity

Taking not one, but two, preseason Top 10 teams and managing one measly Elite Eight run from them. Blowing the overload of talent because you can't get your teams to play hard, disciplined basketball on a consistent basis.

Off-court. You've ruined our reputation. And for all the acclaim you receive as a recruiter, you sure don't get very talented players in here...

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I don't see how a lack of effort is on Quin. He has had some of his harshest words this season and players said the same thing. So they agree but are unable to give effort?

If effort is being continually questioned by fans and media, hell even the players themselves then Quin is 100% responsible. Effort changes from game to game and sometimes you don't need to play with the same effort as you do a harder opponent but when it gets to the stage we are currently at where once again we are questioning the effort then it turn we must question what the hell Quin is doing. If there is a clear issue with a particular player then the only way to get the message across is to bench that player and hope the replacement who may be less skilled will be willing to make the hustle plays that said player wasn't doing. Which this is the current issue, our current top 7 players can go out on the court and play with as much or as little effort as they want because their position and minutes are safe. The easy solution to that is too give a young guy with a point to prove some minutes instead and you can guarantee the effort of the team will pick up.

As for people questioning Conley again, did anyone actually pay attention against Houston. By no means his best game and could have shot better but he by far had the least difficulties breaking down Houstons defense. Got to where he wanted more often then not and if not for missing a couple of bunnies at the rim and his team mates missing some shots from when he kicked out to the wings, he would of had played a very good game.
 
ok let me break it down for you, I don't see you on here a lot so I was stating that Conley sucks yet Quin loves him and doesn't have the balls to sit him for the likes of a hot hand like mudiay.

DL and Zanik have built a team with many glaring weaknesses, they paid too much for Conley and didn't address our need for a backup C. Bradley sucks and the team lacks desire and hustle. I said play the hungry guys, as a coach you need to shake things up, so I'm blaming, Conley, the coach, and our management.
Conley may be a part of the problem but he isn't the sole eason for that. The team may have glaring weaknesses but that's not Quin fault either. Mudiay isn't some great energy player, he is a scorer and he isn't going to solve our issues on defensive effort.

You can bench Conley but Ingles will still throw those lazy lob passes, Bogdanovic and Mitchell will sleep on defense, Gobert will still be reluctant to come out of paint. Changing one player won't change anything unless players decide to play like it matters.

Quin may have his flaws but he is still a very good coach and this is the first time I am seeing such a collective lack of effort from our team since he has been here. So the blame should be on the players because Quin still preaches effort.
 
Snyder just doesn't seem to know how to use Gobert correctly against elite teams. He forces the ball his way too much while often times not using him wisely on defense.

I'm a big fan of Gobert but I just feel like our biggest regular season strength might be our postseason's biggest question. Is Gobert why we win or the reason we lose come playoff time?

At his current contract, he is definitely more positive than negative when it comes to the playoffs. If we give him a max in 2021, I'm worried.



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I wish I could carpet bomb this entire thread.

You guys are too down right now.

The Jazz are struggling a little. Yeah, it sucks.

Give us a 5 game winning streak and half the people down on Quinn right now are going to be calling the Jazz world beaters.
 
I wish I could carpet bomb this entire thread.

You guys are too down right now.

The Jazz are struggling a little. Yeah, it sucks.

Give us a 5 game winning streak and half the people down on Quinn right now are going to be calling the Jazz world beaters.
A five game winning streak would be nice but won't erase the too up and down, too streaky criticisms that Snyder coached teams have had.

This team rolls over far too often.
 
A five game winning streak would be nice but won't erase the too up and down, too streaky criticisms that Snyder coached teams have had.
I know, I know, we all wanted a championship this season. I guess I got over my fantasy and just tried enjoying the season earlier than others. And when I say "got over" I mean I had my breakdown and posted all my negativity before most people's expectations ever got that high.
 
I know, I know, we all wanted a championship this season. I guess I got over my fantasy and just tried enjoying the season earlier than others. And when I say "got over" I mean I had my breakdown and posted all my negativity before most people's expectations ever got that high.
I only wanted hope. Even the tank years and the cake baking years provide that which gives something to look forward to. Hope is getting harder to come by with this team, Quin, the front office and it's assets though. Maybe iI'l get over it soon too.
 
Conley may be a part of the problem but he isn't the sole eason for that. The team may have glaring weaknesses but that's not Quin fault either. Mudiay isn't some great energy player, he is a scorer and he isn't going to solve our issues on defensive effort.

You can bench Conley but Ingles will still throw those lazy lob passes, Bogdanovic and Mitchell will sleep on defense, Gobert will still be reluctant to come out of paint. Changing one player won't change anything unless players decide to play like it matters.

Quin may have his flaws but he is still a very good coach and this is the first time I am seeing such a collective lack of effort from our team since he has been here. So the blame should be on the players because Quin still preaches effort.

Conley does not fit our team and other players suffer from him. Quin does have his flaws with substitution errors, playing the wrong players at times, I get it. Conley has to go.
 
I think Quin is still a good coach... he deserves some of the blame pie... the data is pretty telling that the current starting lineup is the worst configuration of our key ingredients and that using Ingles or Conley off the bench would end up ya having more time with better lineups and less with negative ones... yet we will ride the current lineup because of this narrative that “we have to start Mike and Joe because they are mike and joe and we can’t be good if they aren’t good together”.

I just think you start with Joe and work to your small lineup in the middle of the game when you can get away with less size on the court. That adjustment in on Quin.

The other issue is not getting the g league guys on the court. We need some grit, athleticism, hustle off the bench. TB and Niang have some okayish attributes as players but they don’t work with our soft and small perimeter guys... Morgan, Brantley, even Oni May not be the answers... but you don’t know until you try... why not try it.
 
Snyder just doesn't seem to know how to use Gobert correctly against elite teams. He forces the ball his way too much while often times not using him wisely on defense.

I'm a big fan of Gobert but I just feel like our biggest regular season strength might be our postseason's biggest question. Is Gobert why we win or the reason we lose come playoff time?

At his current contract, he is definitely more positive than negative when it comes to the playoffs. If we give him a max in 2021, I'm worried.

Sucks to even think about it. But I've had debates with a buddy of mine over the same topic. He says the exact same thing as you mentioned above. He doesn't think we can contend for a title with Gobert. I hate that idea, but part of me agrees. But to be honest. I think I would rather lose with Gobert, than to win without him. I guess that makes me a Gobert Fanboy. haha
 
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