People who refer to a pet peeve as a beef.
Like, what's your beef?
Like, what's your beef?
Stupid Pet Peeves
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Jamezz
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The income tax is unconstitutional for one. The money we earn for working should be considered our private property. We already give back our time and energy for it, the same time and energy I don't want to spend arguing with a jackass.
NAOS
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How do you explain the 16th amendment?
We never made it to the 16th Amendment in your threads, it was bound to spill over somewhere.
Jamezz
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NAOS lured me into it with his comment about the Jews. I should know better than engaging in a conversation with a classless individual like him, as proven in his latest post.
@Colton, define income. To me work is nothing but a trade like any other.
NAOS
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we didn't debate anything. not surprised by your confusion, though.
Why would I need to define it? I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court has already determined what it means in the context of the 16th amendment, which states: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
So again, I think if you're claiming that income tax is unconstitutional then the onus is pretty much square on your shoulders to explain why your views don't conflict with the 16th amendment. Which is *in* the Constitution, by the way, and seemingly makes income tax constitutional by definition.
You work for Chick fil a?
Jamezz
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Why wouldn't you need to define it? It affects all the working US citizens, we have a right to know under what premise we are taken money away from us for our labor.
Take a step back and read it again. It is defined within the 16th amendment, so why would Colton have to define it?
♪alt13
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Because my opinion on what the word means is irrelevant. It's the Supreme Court's opinion that counts.
Then I recommend you read this article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution, and perhaps some of the references therein. The "Case law" section in particular goes into various court decisions where the term "income" was defined in this context.
Now will you answer my question? Please explain why your views don't conflict with the 16th amendment, which is constitutional by definition.
seattlejazzfan
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All the talk about Costco earlier and nobody mentioned milk. Skim was $2.99 for two gallons this week, 1% $3.39, 2% 3.69 for two gallons. Cheapest I can find it at any other store is about $2/gallon if I'm lucky.
My family drinks a ton of milk, so that's a big deal.
My family drinks a ton of milk, so that's a big deal.
Harold Ballz
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Elk meat is by far my favorite. I tried antelope for the first time here in Utah at my uncles house and it tasted like **** on a cracker. Elk and deer (white tail) is where its at. I've never tried mule deer, is there a difference?
Jamezz
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Interesting read, as it was to see that Utah rejected the amendment without ever ratifying it. What's also interesting is that the article doesn't mention anything about the Eisner v. Macomber case, where income is defined (from a corporate activity standpoint) as "the gain derived from capital, from labor, or from both combined, including profit gained through sale or conversion of capital."
And even if we took it from an individual standpoint, what's considered gain? In other words, if I work 40 hours/week how is my wage justified as gain versus the amount of money equivalent to the time and energy I've put into my labor. Is my wage more than I should get, is it less? In any event it's an agreement I reached with my employer when I was hired. You can sign it if you think the amount is fair or walk away if you think that the physical or mental effort you need to put into your job is not worth what you're getting paid for.
The problem here comes with social compliance. If a certain Amendment is not clear let's have a public debate. As a self declared right winger (understanding that the right wing advocates for smaller government - heh, it's been a while since this has been the case hasn't it), I have more respect for a liberal who is open to argue about relevant issues like how the Constitution must be interpreted than for a bone headed conservative who thinks he knows the ultimate truth about everything. The problem is that nobody brings it up. The Constitution is not perfect by any means, let's put our minds together and make it more beneficial for everyone than it currently is. Don't blame this on any political party, specific politician etc... blame it on ourselves as a People for being compliant.
I ate a moose steak and caribou sausage in Alaska. The moose was delicious but I wasn't a big fan of the caribou. Might have just been the way it was made though.
RandyForRubio
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White tail is typically better than a muley. Like I said, a lot depends on how it was killed and what it was eating. I'll take a good antelope over a good elk.