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Thee jazz fan said:
I thought the discussion was about the fact that Maholmes didn’t get a chance, and being unfair that the chiefs didn’t get to be on offense? Why do you do this to me Fish? All you’ve done is make me look like an idiot. How do you live with yourself :D:mad:
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Well I guess that's kind of part of the discussion too tbh.
I just have a problem with a crucial part of the game (who gets first possession in overtime) being determined 100% based off luck.

If both teams were guaranteed to get an equal chance to score then I wouldn't care who got the ball first and wouldn't care if they used a coin to decide.

Since one team gets a distinct advantage over the other (first offensive possession) I don't think luck (coin toss) should decide who gets that advantage. I think there should be some kind of competition to decide who gets that advantage.

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For me it's quite simple.
Either make the teams earn the advantage through some form of competition, or eliminate the advantage.

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fishonjazz said:
For me it's quite simple.
Either make the teams earn the advantage through some form of competition, or eliminate the advantage.

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One team shouldn’t get an advantage for one specific game. I believe you should get rewarded with home field for your entire body of work in the regular season. There shouldn’t be any extra rewards added on because of an overtime game. IMO May the best team win on that occasion.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
One team shouldn’t get an advantage for one specific game. I believe you should get rewarded with home field for your entire body of work in the regular season. There shouldn’t be any extra rewards added on because of an overtime game. IMO May the best team win on that occasion.
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Cool then if you feel that way then you should want them to change overtime so that both teams get the ball no matter what. You agree that they should eliminate the advantage. I feel the same way. Eliminate the advantage or make the advantage earned through competition.

Because one team getting the ball and the other team not getting the ball is an advantage for one team for one specific game and an extra reward added on because of overtime.

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fishonjazz said:
Cool then if you feel that way then you should want them to change overtime so that both teams get the ball no matter what.

Because one team getting the ball and the other team not getting the ball is an advantage for one team for one specific game and an extra reward added on because of overtime.

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The Chiefs not getting the ball wasn't an advantage earned by the Patriots via coin toss, it was earned by the Patriots via scoring a touchdown on the opening drive. The Chiefs had multiple chances to get off the field and weren't able to.
 
fishonjazz said:
Cool then if you feel that way then you should want them to change overtime so that both teams get the ball no matter what.
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No, you misunderstood me. Team A should get home field advantage for having a better regular season. In that way they earned the advantage of home field over team B. If that game goes into overtime, Team A loses advantage because they didn’t beat team B. Doesn’t mean they should get extra advantage after the fact. After regulation teams should be on even draw as far as the rules go, and current rule states a coin toss, it fair because both teams have a 50/50 chance to get the ball first.
 
Zombie said:
The Chiefs not getting the ball wasn't an advantage earned by the Patriots via coin toss, it was earned by the Patriots via scoring a touchdown on the opening drive. The Chiefs had multiple chances to get off the field and weren't able to.
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Getting the ball first is an advantage. If it wasn't then you would see the coin toss winner choose not to get the ball on occasion. That never happens though. Both teams want to win the coin toss and both teams want to get the ball first because it is advantageous to do so.
I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.

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Thee jazz fan said:
No, you misunderstood me. Team A should get home field advantage for having a better regular season. In that way they earned the advantage of home field over team B. If that game goes into overtime, Team A loses advantage because they didn’t beat team B. Doesn’t mean they should get extra advantage after the fact. After regulation teams should be on even draw as far as the rules go, and current rule states a coin toss, it fair because both teams have a 50/50 chance to get the ball first.
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But sports isn't about fair. It's about competition.
If you think having a coin toss makes things fair cause it's 50/50 then they should just do coin tosses for everything to make sports fair.
Why make a team earn home field advantage? Why not just do a coin toss. That would be fair.
Why should one team get Tom Brady and bill bellichek? They should do a coin toss before each game to see which team gets Brady and billicheck cause that would be more fair.

No, sports is about competition. Teams get home field advantage through earning it. Patriots got Brady and billicheck cause they earned by drafting and developing Brady and by finding and hiring billicheck.

There are advantages all over in sports. They are earned though. There are reasons behind those advantages.

For some reason in nfl overtimes everything about sports and competition changes. Suddenly an advantage is given, rather than earned, for no reason at all.

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Zombie said:
The Chiefs not getting the ball wasn't an advantage earned by the Patriots via coin toss, it was earned by the Patriots via scoring a touchdown on the opening drive. The Chiefs had multiple chances to get off the field and weren't able to.
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What you are talking about here is that the Patriots earned the win by driving down and scoring in their first possession. I agree with you about that.
What they didn't earn was first possession of the ball. That was given to them via luck of a coin toss. Having the ball first is an advantage. That they did not earn.

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fishonjazz said:
But sports isn't about fair. It's about competition.
If you think having a coin toss makes things fair cause it's 50/50 then they should just do coin tosses for everything to make sports fair.
Why make a team earn home field advantage? Why not just do a coin toss. That would be fair.
Why should one team get Tom Brady and bill bellichek? They should do a coin toss before each game to see which team gets Brady and billicheck cause that would be more fair.

No, sports is about competition. Teams get home field advantage through earning it. Patriots got Brady and billicheck cause they earned by drafting and developing Brady and by finding and hiring billicheck.

There are advantages all over in sports. They are earned though. There are reasons behind those advantages.

For some reason in nfl overtimes everything about sports and competition changes. Suddenly an advantage is given, rather than earned, for no reason at all.

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In regards to the overtime rules, the only fair way to do it is a 50/50 coin toss to see who gets the ball, and in case there’s confusion, I’m fine with the overtime rule and therefore see the coin toss as the most fair way to decide who gets the ball. The defense just needs to do its job.

Or we could do it like this. Poor Buss

 
Thee jazz fan said:
In regards to the overtime rules, the only fair way to do it is a 50/50 coin toss to see who gets the ball, and in case there’s confusion, I’m fine with the overtime rule and therefore see the coin toss as the most fair way to decide who gets the ball. The defense just needs to do its job.

Or we could do it like this. Poor Buss

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Again, sports isn't about fairness. It's about competition.


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Thee jazz fan said:
No, you misunderstood me. Team A should get home field advantage for having a better regular season. In that way they earned the advantage of home field over team B. If that game goes into overtime, Team A loses advantage because they didn’t beat team B. Doesn’t mean they should get extra advantage after the fact. After regulation teams should be on even draw as far as the rules go, and current rule states a coin toss, it fair because both teams have a 50/50 chance to get the ball first.
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To be fair, it’s not a true 50/50. Visiting gets to call the toss.
 
Zombie said:
Maybe I'm misinterpreting you, but how does that impact the odds of the flip?
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I’m sure they could do studies about how many times a particular ref flips the coin and it comes up tails vs heads, etc.

To be clear, I’m not saying they would do that, but it’s possible.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
So two evenly matched teams in that game to the point that they performed evenly, and one team should be rewarded over the other with getting the ball automatically when neither team had or gained an advantage in regulation of that single contest?
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They would be rewarded over the other team by beating them in something competitive. Nothing automatic about it. First possession has to be earned. How are you not following?

Right now one of those two teams that performed evenly all game gets an advantage over the other team for absolutely no reason.

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