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Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?


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Oh my god.

You people are just too much.

Im curious were guys just as upset when Barrack Obama asserted his executive privilege to withhold documents in Fast and Furious and Eric Holder?

Or what about Bill Clinton, and the numerous time he did it?

You a rambling on like Trump is setting precedence for something. And what Trump has done is not even close to why they they did.
Yes, I was. Do you even read anything in here? I believe all public servants should be held to the same standard of behavior. I think we needed to keep investigating Hillary's email and what exactly she deleted before turning over her curated set. I think Clinton should have been impeached and removed from office. I think Obama overstepped his bounds, as did W. But a history of presidential misbehavior doesn't excuse the current administration of a damn thing.
 
Thats just a dumb joke.

Do you have any that you didnt just make up? Could you go back to candy wrapper jokes? Those were better.

Sorry mang. Had something to do. I'm sure I'll get tired of mocking you as much as you get tired of coming up with progressively stupider **** to post. Right?

You're so dumb you had to burn down your school. To get out of second grade.
 
Sorry mang. Had something to do. I'm sure I'll get tired of mocking you as much as you get tired of coming up with progressively stupider **** to post. Right?

You're so dumb you had to burn down your school. To get out of second grade.
School violence is never a joking matter.
 
You still did not explain what portions should be unredacted and why.

I explained that supporters of Trump in this matter claimed that the Democrats were asking Barr to commit a crime by unredacting the grand jury portion of Mueller's report. As explained in the clarification of what the Judiciary Committee's supoena was asking for, the Committee did not ask for the grand jury material to be released to them, and therefore they are not asking Barr to break any law. As for the other redacted portions, Congress is entitled to see them to gain a fuller understanding of Mueller's report, and no law will be broken in allowing the members of the Judicial Committee to view those portions. They are not interested in the Judtice Department's offer to date.

Which one of those do you need to see so badly

Where did I say that I need to see them?? The supoena was issued by the Judiciary Committee for those redacted portions covered by the supoena. To be seen by the Judiciary Committee.
 
I explained that supporters of Trump in this matter claimed that the Democrats were asking Barr to commit a crime by unredacting the grand jury portion of Mueller's report. As explained in the clarification of what the Judiciary Committee's supoena was asking for, the Committee did not ask for the grand jury material to be released to them, and therefore they are not asking Barr to break any law. As for the other redacted portions, Congress is entitled to see them to gain a fuller understanding of Mueller's report, and no law will be broken in allowing the members of the Judicial Committee to view those portions. They are not interested in the Judtice Department's offer to date.



Where did I say that I need to see them?? The supoena was issued by the Judiciary Committee for those redacted portions covered by the supoena. To be seen by the Judiciary Committee.

So essentially you have opinion on why they need to see the other 1% other than Dems should get would Dems want regardless of implications. Doesnt matter if someone's personal info gets leaked. Doesn't matter if sensative information to the intelligence agency is leaked, etc.

Again, what in the remaining 1% could possibly change anything? You dont think Muller would have had anything damning in the other 99% if it were really all that bad?

What if Barr is really just doing the right thing here and the Democrats are pushing for nothing? Has that ever crossed your mind?

Regardless of all of this. Why not just wait for when Muller testifies? Im sure he will make it known if Trump did something wrong.
 
So essentially you have opinion on why they need to see the other 1% other than Dems should get would Dems want regardless of implications. Doesnt matter if someone's personal info gets leaked. Doesn't matter if sensative information to the intelligence agency is leaked, etc.

Again, what in the remaining 1% could possibly change anything? You dont think Muller would have had anything damning in the other 99% if it were really all that bad?

What if Barr is really just doing the right thing here and the Democrats are pushing for nothing? Has that ever crossed your mind?

Regardless of all of this. Why not just wait for when Muller testifies? Im sure he will make it known if Trump did something wrong.

You're so dumb, when you were caught sticking batteries up your butt you said it was to give you energy.
 
I’m assuming that no one on this thread condones the notion of shooting immigrants. At a trump rally, a person shouted “shoot them” the crowd laughed and cheered and trump joked.

I have not heard trump or his followers distance themselves from this.

Giving trump supporters a chance to comment to condemn this and refute the deplorable narrative.

I wonder about the different response if a BLM rally shouted “shoot them” about white nationalists. Just curious.
 
So essentially you have opinion on why they need to see the other 1% other than Dems should get would Dems want regardless of implications. Doesnt matter if someone's personal info gets leaked. Doesn't matter if sensative information to the intelligence agency is leaked, etc.

Again, what in the remaining 1% could possibly change anything? You dont think Muller would have had anything damning in the other 99% if it were really all that bad?

What if Barr is really just doing the right thing here and the Democrats are pushing for nothing? Has that ever crossed your mind?

Regardless of all of this. Why not just wait for when Muller testifies? Im sure he will make it known if Trump did something wrong.

1. In the 4 page summary of the Mueller report, as interpreted by AG Barr, Barr determined there was not enough evidence to indict Trump on obstruction of justice.

2. In the actual report, Mueller made it clear he did not make a prosecutorial judgement because of DOJ policy against indicting a sitting president, and not because there was no evidence of obstruction of justice by Trump.

3. Mueller objected to Barr's mischaracterization of his report, and told Barr as much in a written letter. Both Barr and Mueller understood that putting his objections in writing would mean the public would see that letter. That was why it was put in written form, and that is why Barr asked Mueller "why didn't you just pick up the phone and call me" if you had issues. Answer: because Mueller wanted Congress and the public to know he felt Barr mischaracterized the Mueller report

4. Congress is one of three co-equal branches of our federal government.

5. Congress also has the Constitutionally guaranteed power of oversight over the Executive branch of the federal government.

6. This power of Congressional oversight is part of the separation of powers enshrined in our constitution and the system of checks and balances enshrined in our constitution.

6. The House of Represenatives has the power to launch impeachment proceedings against the president. Congress does not need the president's permission for this.

7. The power of oversight over the Executive branch means the House Judiciary Committee has the right to see the entirety of the Mueller report, minus the redacted grand jury section. Once that full report is examined, it may, or it may not, serve as the basis for impeachment proceedings. But that requires the Executive branch, and the DOJ is part of that branch, recognizing and agreeing to subpoenas issued under the power of Congressional oversight.

8. The president, not just in stonewalling the House Judiciary Committee, (by declaring the entire Mueller report is now covered by executive privlage, a claim the courts will likely strike down, but it's a great stalling tactic), but in stating that he will ignore every and all Congressional subpoenas for both persons and documents, is in effect denying that Congress is a co-equal branch of the federal government, and through our system of checks and balances, enjoys oversight over the Executive branch.

9. The preceding point, #8, is the reason Nadler said "we are now in a constitutional crisis".

10. I believe you already know all of this, you're not as dense about this as you wish to appear. I also believe increasing authoritarianism in the Executive branch is OK with you. You're not alone, a perhaps significant % of the electorate likely feels the same way.

For those who judge this to be instead a constitutional crisis, increasing consolidation of power in the Executive branch is not something the framers of the constitution had in mind, and is not OK. This is one of the central differences dividing Americans at this time. When asked, following the Constitutional Convention, what kind of government had the delegates created, Benjamin Franklin answered "A republic. If you can keep it".

11. With # 10 in mind, some of us are vigilant and recognize the threat represented by Trump's effort to negate the powers granted to Congress by our constitution. Barr's argument, that the president can shut down any investigation if he thinks it isn't fair is an absurd argument reflective of Barr's apparent belief that the powers of the Executive are virtually unlimited.
 
I’m assuming that no one on this thread condones the notion of shooting immigrants. At a trump rally, a person shouted “shoot them” the crowd laughed and cheered and trump joked.

I have not heard trump or his followers distance themselves from this.

Giving trump supporters a chance to comment to condemn this and refute the deplorable narrative.

I wonder about the different response if a BLM rally shouted “shoot them” about white nationalists. Just curious.

Yeah, I saw that. It's a telling, albeit very depressing, example of how Trump debases the office of the presidency on virtually a daily basis, and, as well, reflective of how easy it is to bring out the baser instincts in people. It's moments like that that illustrate how far we have fallen in elevating a man such as Trump to the highest office in our government.
 
I’m assuming that no one on this thread condones the notion of shooting immigrants. At a trump rally, a person shouted “shoot them” the crowd laughed and cheered and trump joked.

I have not heard trump or his followers distance themselves from this.

Giving trump supporters a chance to comment to condemn this and refute the deplorable narrative.

I wonder about the different response if a BLM rally shouted “shoot them” about white nationalists. Just curious.

Oh, you mean like when BLM chants we want dead cops and 5 Dallas cops are shot dead?

Do you mean like how the left doesnt condem the calls for violence against cops? And we keep ending up with dead cops?

Is that what you mean?
 
Yeah, I saw that. It's a telling, albeit very depressing, example of how Trump debases the office of the presidency on virtually a daily basis, and, as well, reflective of how easy it is to bring out the baser instincts in people. It's moments like that that illustrate how far we have fallen in elevating a man such as Trump to the highest office in our government.

Imagine Reagan joking about that. Imagine either bush joking. Imagine McCain.

You can’t imagine it. Because they would never do it.
 
1. In the 4 page summary of the Mueller report, as interpreted by AG Barr, Barr determined there was not enough evidence to indict Trump on obstruction of justice.

2. In the actual report, Mueller made it clear he did not make a prosecutorial judgement because of DOJ policy against indicting a sitting president, and not because there was no evidence of obstruction of justice by Trump.

3. Mueller objected to Barr's mischaracterization of his report, and told Barr as much in a written letter. Both Barr and Mueller understood that putting his objections in writing would mean the public would see that letter. That was why it was put in written form, and that is why Barr asked Mueller "why didn't you just pick up the phone and call me" if you had issues. Answer: because Mueller wanted Congress and the public to know he felt Barr mischaracterized the Mueller report

4. Congress is one of three co-equal branches of our federal government.

5. Congress also has the Constitutionally guaranteed power of oversight over the Executive branch of the federal government.

6. This power of Congressional oversight is part of the separation of powers enshrined in our constitution and the system of checks and balances enshrined in our constitution.

6. The House of Represenatives has the power to launch impeachment proceedings against the president. Congress does not need the president's permission for this.

7. The power of oversight over the Executive branch means the House Judiciary Committee has the right to see the entirety of the Mueller report, minus the redacted grand jury section. Once that full report is examined, it may, or it may not, serve as the basis for impeachment proceedings. But that requires the Executive branch, and the DOJ is part of that branch, recognizing and agreeing to subpoenas issued under the power of Congressional oversight.

8. The president, not just in stonewalling the House Judiciary Committee, (by declaring the entire Mueller report is now covered by executive privlage, a claim the courts will likely strike down, but it's a great stalling tactic), but in stating that he will ignore every and all Congressional subpoenas for both persons and documents, is in effect denying that Congress is a co-equal branch of the federal government, and through our system of checks and balances, enjoys oversight over the Executive branch.

9. The preceding point, #8, is the reason Nadler said "we are now in a constitutional crisis".

10. I believe you already know all of this, you're not as dense about this as you wish to appear. I also believe increasing authoritarianism in the Executive branch is OK with you. You're not alone, a perhaps significant % of the electorate likely feels the same way.

For those who judge this to be instead a constitutional crisis, increasing consolidation of power in the Executive branch is not something the framers of the constitution had in mind, and is not OK. This is one of the central differences dividing Americans at this time. When asked, following the Constitutional Convention, what kind of government had the delegates created, Benjamin Franklin answered "A republic. If you can keep it".

11. With # 10 in mind, some of us are vigilant and recognize the threat represented by Trump's effort to negate the powers granted to Congress by our constitution. Barr's argument, that the president can shut down any investigation if he thinks it isn't fair is an absurd argument reflective of Barr's apparent belief that the powers of the Executive are virtually unlimited.

1. You still have not answered if it was constitutional crisis when Obama did the same thing.

2. When this does go to the courts, I guarantee the courts will side with Trump.

3. You still will not answer why its so important to see the specific redacted parts, and why the other 99% is not enough.

4. I like how this is now about Obstruction of Justice, and not collusion. You dont see anything wrong with charging someone with obstruction for a crime they werent committing and were just being entrapped by spying agents and a dirty bought and paid for FBI?
 
Imagine Reagan joking about that. Imagine either bush joking. Imagine McCain.

You can’t imagine it. Because they would never do it.?

From urging his rally goers to beat up on protestors at his 2016 campaign rallies, to moments like yesterday, when he said, in so many words, that shooting migrants was OK in the Florida panhandle( getting huge laughs), no American leader has done a better job bringing out people's baser instincts. Bringing out the ugly in people. That is not a leadership quality. In less hyperpartisan, tribal times, one would expect universal condemnation of such a joke by our president. But he has elevated trolling to the essence of his leadership style, and he enjoys the admiration of an army of trolls as a result. It's a sad state of affairs, and sadder still the remarkable number of American citizens who are fine with it.
 
Imagine Reagan joking about that. Imagine either bush joking. Imagine McCain.

You can’t imagine it. Because they would never do it.
True.

But I cant imagine previous Journalists helping to mock cops and get them killed. Its a different world we live in I guess.

Tell your side to calm down the rhetoric then maybe things will change.
 
From urging his rally goers to beat up on protestors at his 2016 campaign rallies, to moments like yesterday, when he said, in so many words, that shooting migrants was OK in the Florida panhandle( getting huge laughs), no American leader has done a better job bringing out people's baser instincts. Bringing out the ugly in people. That is not a leadership quality. In less hyperpartisan, tribal times, one would expect universal condemnation of such a joke by our president. But he has elevated trolling to the essence of his leadership style, and he enjoys the admiration of an army of trolls as a result. It's a sad state of affairs, and sadder still the remarkable number of American citizens who are fine with it.

Trump is a product of what the left has created.
 
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