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You're the GM this offseason. What do you do?

Handlogten's Heros said:
Been healthy two years in a row... been on the block for a few years. No trade that knocks our socks off has come. He was involved in the Conley deal that fell through (maybe not, but would have been hard to match salary without him and Exum).

If we could have received a first for him I think we would have done it. If we could have received Conley we would have done it. I just think bigs who can't shoot or dribble will have a limited market. If we were this big of Favs fans we could have easily given him a multi year deal last year that had a lower cap number that makes it easier to find that other piece. If he was on the books at $12M for next year you can waive and stretch Korver and make some max offers... might have to move Jae into someone's space.
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Per TJ he wasn't in the Conley deal, and he's repeated that a few times. I also don't think they'd trade him for a first.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
One thing as I look back on the season that sticks out to me... How the hell are we so good when Neto is on the court. Must be some flukey **** with his on/off numbers... I think he played a little more once the schedule eased up, but some of his lineup data is just insane to me. Makes me wonder... If we had an average, but solid and steady NBA point guard how good are we? Like DJ Augustine level of player.

I think Ricky is good, but his inconsistency and some of his particular flaws (turnover prone, bad shooting, uneven defense) make a more vanilla option more palatable.
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I'd bet there's someone in the front office presenting this idea as spin to DL, giving him the reassurances to essentially run it back.
 
infection said:
If we keep Favors, I see our ceiling upgrade as a Darren Collison. Yes, we could win a few more games, but ultimately my qualifier was "take us to the next step," of which I don't think a middling PG acquisition qualifies.
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Jazz would be upgrading on the wing and ceding more PG duties to Ingles and Mitchell
 
Why doesn't Lamb play more minutes. Seems like Kemba needed lots of help... really curious, not trying to dog the guy. I know Borrego was new and that Lamb wasn't a big favorite of the previous coach (name escapes me... dude in Orlando).

Hornets season goes south every year because their bigs are bad and once Zeller or Howard was hurt they were relying on Frank the Tank and Biyombo. Maybe Lamb running some offense with good shooting or bigs who set picks and have some gravity unlocks something for him.

I think he could be had for 12-15M a year. Middle tier guys generally come at a bargain or get overpaid... so $18-20M could end up being what it takes. 2s and 3s likely command a premium too, so who knows how crazy it gets.
 
infection said:
Per TJ he wasn't in the Conley deal, and he's repeated that a few times. I also don't think they'd trade him for a first.
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Oh... so Ricky, Thabo, Crowder or Korver then? We know Exum wasn't in the deal.
 
Cy and I are on the same page here. We try to get a big free agent and if we miss, we will bring back Favors.

I personally think that we could waive Favors and re-sign him to a long term deal. I'm tired of debating whether to trade him or not and I'm sure he is too. Just lock him up long term to a 3 years $40 million deal and use the remaining $20-$27 million (if Korver retires we could have around $27 if Favors was making around $13).

It isn't perfect to spend $13 million on a backup C who can play some at PF, but then again, Gobert isn't perfect by himself. He is pretty terrible for some matchups and we will need the flexibility that Favors provides.
 
Are we going to roll out Favs and Rudy in the western conference finals against the warriors together next year? No... so then Favs is a good backup, which is important but not as important as having a guy that can play with your other starters.

I realize there are 82 games and there is a lot of regular season value to Favs... in some playoff matchups he can still start. We are at a point where we need to look for "16 game players"... guys that can play on the floor during the highest levels of NBA playoffs. $18M is just so much to commit to a backup that can't be on the floor last 5 minutes and isn't a 16 game player (at least not if you have Rudy).

I'd rather have a guy that can do something different than Rudy to help in certain matchups.
 
Why do we simultaneously proclaim Favors incredible value and then imagine we can waive him and have no team pick him up and... then also sign him to a team friendly long term deal? The timeline to do that is really silly. By July 7th some teams will have obviously whiffed... claiming Favs on a one year deal looks viable at that point. If Dallas or either LA team are offering 3/36M and a starting center spot are we sure he takes our 3/40M... knowing his name has been out there in trade for a while? I think that is beyond rosy.

I think it is safe to assume that we either keep him at $18M or he isn't on the roster... way to much "assumption" in this 3/42M, 3/40M stuff.
 
We keep talking about how much cap space we can have if Korver retires, I'm I the only one who doesn't think he's going to retire?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Are we going to roll out Favs and Rudy in the western conference finals against the warriors together next year? No... so then Favs is a good backup, which is important but not as important as having a guy that can play with your other starters.

I realize there are 82 games and there is a lot of regular season value to Favs... in some playoff matchups he can still start. We are at a point where we need to look for "16 game players"... guys that can play on the floor during the highest levels of NBA playoffs. $18M is just so much to commit to a backup that can't be on the floor last 5 minutes and isn't a 16 game player (at least not if you have Rudy).

I'd rather have a guy that can do something different than Rudy to help in certain matchups.
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Let's say you've run the numbers and you have more than what you need with a $3M life insurance policy. Cool. You've got one. In fact, it's actually a $4M policy. Now you're looking at your budget and you could go get some disability insurance. Nah. **** that. Go spend it on another $1M in life insurance!
 
LoPo said:
It isn't perfect to spend $13 million on a backup C who can play some at PF, but then again, Gobert isn't perfect by himself. He is pretty terrible for some matchups and we will need the flexibility that Favors provides.
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That doesn't really seem to matter because Rudy gets his 33-35 minutes and closes every game regardless of whether or not Favors matches up better. Including the playoffs I can only think of 3 games that Favors closed instead of Gobert the entire season, and one of those games was the Houston game that Rudy got thrown out of in the 1st quarter.
 
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Jingled said:
We keep talking about how much cap space we can have if Korver retires, I'm I the only one who doesn't think he's going to retire?
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It also doesn't remove our obligation to him... we can waive and stretch him and take his cap number down to 1.2M. I think its 50/50.

I have a question... Korver is a limited player best used as a backup and may not play much in the playoffs... Was valuable in the regular season and definitely contributed to our success. Why don't we want him to hang around another year at 7.5M and we use space to get a good backup center... which would likely cost no more than 6-7M... wouldn't that be a potentially better use of space than waiving Korver, keeping Favs? Its a similar question... how much value does a guy have when his best use is a backup player and they may not play as much in the playoffs.
 
infection said:
Let's say you've run the numbers and you have more than what you need with a $3M life insurance policy. Cool. You've got one. In fact, it's actually a $4M policy. Now you're looking at your budget and you could go get some disability insurance. Nah. **** that. Go spend it on another $1M in life insurance!
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Honestly I'm not sure if it'd be better if Rudy got hurt if we didn't just fold the season and do a one year tank... won't get to the bottom, but could get us to 10-12 range and with new lotto odds that could turn into something.

Just waive Favs and sign Dedmon or take one of the 5 or so overpaid backup bigs and get an asset while doing so. Deciding to keep $18M in Favs is such a short term waste. Next year's FA is really bleak... this is the time to shoot your shot and pivot.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Why do we simultaneously proclaim Favors incredible value and then imagine we can waive him and have no team pick him up and... then also sign him to a team friendly long term deal? The timeline to do that is really silly. By July 7th some teams will have obviously whiffed... claiming Favs on a one year deal looks viable at that point. If Dallas or either LA team are offering 3/36M and a starting center spot are we sure he takes our 3/40M... knowing his name has been out there in trade for a while? I think that is beyond rosy.

I think it is safe to assume that we either keep him at $18M or he isn't on the roster... way to much "assumption" in this 3/42M, 3/40M stuff.
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If we waive Favors on the first day of the moratorium, that's not July 7th. Somebody clarify the rules for me, but wouldn't his 48 hour waiver process happen right when we do it? So only teams with the cap space on July 2nd or a trade exception large enough could pick him up.

Regardless of timing or that rule, I just refuse to believe that any NBA team would pick up Favors for $18 million expiring on the first day or two of free agency. Maybe they would do it a few weeks into free agency when they have failed, but I just don't see the Lakers making LeBron and their fanbase happy by picking up Favors for 50% of their 2019 summer cap space.

Once a team picks him up, they can't trade him as a large expiring until the deadline. He's not worth $18 million as an expiring.
 
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