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I read a bit about her. Looks better than Clinton for sure but is she enough to dethrone Trump? She is not christian after all so isn't that a huge no no for most Americans?
Why Trump will win big in 2020
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The economy argument always cracks me up. The president has far far less impact on the economy than people want to think.
There are only two different ways that this impeachment inquiry will end IMO.
Either...
The Democrats will finally find evidence of something that is actually an impeachable offense that causes both the majority of the American people and the majority of Republicans to support impeaching Trump. Trump is removed from office. The Democrat nominee defeats Pence in 2020.
OR..
The Democrats continue the inquiry into 2020. They continue to try to spin highly circumstantial stuff as a smoking gun when it's not. They continue trying to connect imaginary dots. They continue to refuse to hold an impeachment vote in the house. And they try to stretch all of this into the election timeline. The American people get tired of the political games and Trump crushes the Democrat nominee in a landslide. The Democrats also likely lose seats in the House and Senate.
Either...
The Democrats will finally find evidence of something that is actually an impeachable offense that causes both the majority of the American people and the majority of Republicans to support impeaching Trump. Trump is removed from office. The Democrat nominee defeats Pence in 2020.
OR..
The Democrats continue the inquiry into 2020. They continue to try to spin highly circumstantial stuff as a smoking gun when it's not. They continue trying to connect imaginary dots. They continue to refuse to hold an impeachment vote in the house. And they try to stretch all of this into the election timeline. The American people get tired of the political games and Trump crushes the Democrat nominee in a landslide. The Democrats also likely lose seats in the House and Senate.
Zombie
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I like how your scenario is completely based on the President not already having publicly admitting to an impeachable offense, and the majority of Americans not already supporting impeachment.
FWIW there was no Republican majority for Nixons removal before he stepped down, and polling among Americans in general is higher now than it was when the Nixon impeachment process began.
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Maybe you are right about his direct actions, but just being who he is, and what he says, people react to that and it has an impact on the economy.
E.g. If Bernie Sanders were to win the next election Id probably pull some money out of the stock market. Probably hide some of it too. Before he even did anything.
Because he hasn't admitted an impeachable offense. And the majority of Americans do not support impeachment, at least not yet anyway. Unless you're eating up polls which put the support for the impeachment inquiry at like 52% and you're saying that 52% is both an accurate number AND that all of that 52% also supports impeachment.
If Trump had admitted an actual impeachable offense and true majority of Americans wanted impeachment the House dems would have held a vote already. They haven't held the vote because they know neither is the case. They are still searching for the smoking gun because they know without it they don't have the support of the people which is HUGE. Not just in removing Trump but in holding the White House after winning in 2020
Zombie
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The polls I'm looking at are asking about impeachment, not simply an inquiry. Nice preemptive moving of the goalposts regarding polls though. I'm not the one who brought up public support- you did. Polling is the best way we have to gauge it, I'm sorry if they undercut your argument, but thems the breaks.
I recommend getting some historical perspective and opening up the Gallup poll linked on this page. It shows up much impeachment support there is for Trump compared to how much there was for Clinton and Nixon. It might be a little eye opening for you.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...ment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html
You're making quite a few assumptions here. Whether what Trump did by asking Ukraine and China to aid in undermining Bidens candidacy is impeachable doesn't depend on how the Democrats reacted to it, that's pretty shoddy logic.
FWIW the Democrats don't need to ever bring up an impeachment inquiry for a vote, they could simply proceed with the investigations as they are and go straight to impeachment if they want. For now they are gathering the facts and interviewing witnesses to determine how deep the institutional rot has spread.
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I just wanted to add..
We just had a week of career (nonpartisan) diplomats, Trump’s own EU ambassador, and Trump’s Chief of Staff admit to Trump committing impeachable offenses. Where has @SCS been living this week? In a cave? Their testimonies matter. They were all devastating to the president. They all told the same story, of Trump running an illegal shadow state dept through Rudy and using military aid to compel Ukraine to manufacture dirt on the Biden’s. Are we now supposed to believe that career diplomats, Trump’s ambassador, and his own CoS colluded to form a deep state to try and get him impeached because they didn’t like the results from 2016?
This past week was the worst week in Trump’s presidency, and that’s saying something.
Are people really so brainwashed that they’ll dismiss what all the diplomats said, the timing of the firing of our own ambassador, what Trump’s newly appointed EU ambassador testified, and what Trump’s own CoS admitted to this week???
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