Keefe
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Nope, no he hasn’t. He’s developed zero moves in his five or so years he’s been here. The hell if I want to get the ball to him, only to see him turn it over or awkwardly clank it at the rim, arms flailing ala AK.
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Nope, no he hasn’t. He’s developed zero moves in his five or so years he’s been here. The hell if I want to get the ball to him, only to see him turn it over or awkwardly clank it at the rim, arms flailing ala AK.
sahlensguy
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Throw him a lob. They wont expect it.
It's one game every blue moon and Rudy is satisfied.
I'm not by any means against giving Rudy the last second plays now and then to keep him happy. I do think @infection kind of nailed it. Rudy probably hasn't got enough touches to start this season, and in turn I'm sure that builds the thoughts of what @infection referenced and you get this.
Keefe
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They’ve expected it all year. Hence his low scoring output.
sahlensguy
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Haha real funny, but have they expected it on the last shot? Ever?
latin jazz
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Yup. I'm not commenting on what Rudy said but what some posters suggested (i.e. Jazzyfresh saying that Rudy needs to post up).
This part is true. If the lob is the only weapon that effectively works for you it can be taken away and has for the most part.
Until Gobert has a go to move, whether it be by post up, or facing the basket Quin can't call a play for Gobert.
A play for Gobert at this point consists of running a play where a pass/lob to Gobert involves timing and motion and Gobert being within a few feet of the basket. You can't just give Gobert the ball, clear out, and say "go to work big guy". Any play for him now is a choose your own adventure where one of the 5 options is Gobert. This is why DM gets the ball at the end. He can take it and create a shot out of nothing. He is a "content creator" to put it into Jazzfanz lingo.
The easiest thing Gobert can do on his own is learn to shoot from 10-15 feet. This involves nobody else for the most part, and does not involve trying to post up against shorter and thicker people that will undercut you, steal your balance, and force a pass out or flailed shot attempt. I don't see a post up move other than a super sky hook as useful for him, but I see a mid range shot he can actually hit as something to keep the defense honest which may create a lane if he can handle a dribble or two. I do think he can handle a dribble or two.
A play for Gobert at this point consists of running a play where a pass/lob to Gobert involves timing and motion and Gobert being within a few feet of the basket. You can't just give Gobert the ball, clear out, and say "go to work big guy". Any play for him now is a choose your own adventure where one of the 5 options is Gobert. This is why DM gets the ball at the end. He can take it and create a shot out of nothing. He is a "content creator" to put it into Jazzfanz lingo.
The easiest thing Gobert can do on his own is learn to shoot from 10-15 feet. This involves nobody else for the most part, and does not involve trying to post up against shorter and thicker people that will undercut you, steal your balance, and force a pass out or flailed shot attempt. I don't see a post up move other than a super sky hook as useful for him, but I see a mid range shot he can actually hit as something to keep the defense honest which may create a lane if he can handle a dribble or two. I do think he can handle a dribble or two.
NAOS
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It’s absolutely just as likely that he’s talking to the whole team of ball handlers. How may times has Bojan thrown a lob or a pass into the post when Rudy has good position? How many times for Conley?
Every year under Q we’ve seen that the offense is very cerebral and therefore slow to take shape. When you’re a player like Rudy, who feeds only when others set him up, you’re the last part to be well-utilized by a slowly evolving system.
I think it’s pretty ridiculous to claim that he’s singling out anyone in particular. Or that there’s sufficient evidence to disagree with the claim that he isn’t also challenging himself to do better/be in better spots.
Leave it to JFC to make a mountain out of this molehill.
Donovan is on a tear and is efficient this year, so he's not talking about Donovan. The issue right now for Rudy has got to be Conley. When Rudy looks at Conley bricking or turning the ball over he probably wonders why he isn't being given the latitude to work on his offensive game too. He probably figures he can provide more than what Conley's been giving. But Conley needs to continue to be given a chance to fail because that's the only way he's going to evolve into his comfort zone. And Conley evolving is more important than Rudy evolving. Rudy just needs to be patient, his offensive production will go up when the rest of the team is clicking.
Gobzilla
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Release the Kraken
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Poor timing IMO as lobs to the rim are some of the hardest to perfect (Ingles is the master at this). Probably something said in the heat of the moment after a tough loss ala Jermaine Whitehead. But unlike that one, this is really much ado about nothing. Rubio was the worst at this play and Gobert adjusted, Conley is used to playing with a stretch five and just needs a few more reps.
I think Rudy is giving himself a bit too much credit here. He can finish the lob as well as anyone, but but his "catch, make a move, and finish" game is still pretty ugly.
And the drop big defense has given us fits for 2+ years. We should be able to attack it better now with shooters all over the floor, but it's still going to impact his offensive productivity.
And the drop big defense has given us fits for 2+ years. We should be able to attack it better now with shooters all over the floor, but it's still going to impact his offensive productivity.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Then the jazz guards and wings need to make them pay for that style of play, which will open things up for Gobert in the middle.
outerspacefan
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"The drive is great but..."
Who's the driver on this team?
Jealousy. Guys are human.
Who's the driver on this team?
Jealousy. Guys are human.
SoUjazzfan
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If there is to be a chance for two jazz men to be on the all star team we'd better go into the break first in the West with a league best defense. Rudy getting the last shot at a winner isn't putting us there. Rudy playing stellar defense and taking the lobs the d gives him does.
That said, I do believe guys are missing the lob, especially on the roll more this year than in the past. Maybe they will look for it a little more after these comments. Not a bad thing at all.
That said, I do believe guys are missing the lob, especially on the roll more this year than in the past. Maybe they will look for it a little more after these comments. Not a bad thing at all.
These guys are pros not boys, they have to know what are they good or bad at, and maybe if they want and they work will develope their game in order to improve. If each player do what they know usually things go better. Rudy has to know his limitations and, as i wrote in other post is not so easy for a guard to roll or loob to Rudy when the whole other team is expecting that. If you can pop or post the defender is insecure about what will happen,if not the defense is quite easy. Rudy is big but there are a lot a bigs and guys that can jump to defend the loob. When i played basketball there was always the same problem. The centers claimed because they didn't received the the ball from the guards,and the guards claimed cause if you passed the ball to the center the ball never comes back. I was guard and i liked to play with the center but if the center has no weapons it's a suicide for the guard,you have to give him all done and i think that sometimes is what happens with Rudy. It's more risky to look for Rudy (predictible) than any other option.