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2020 All-Time Draft - Round 1: Troat Guru vs LogGrad98

Who would win in a 7 game series?

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Yeah once Robinson got Duncan he got somewhere. Before that the best thing he did for the franchise was go down for an "injury" that netted them....Duncan!
 
tfivas said:
God damn Karl was a dirty mofo lol
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Perfectly clean. Malone just tried to go up with the ball. Absolutely no different than harden and his swing under flop thing he does. Robinson was just not smart enough to get out da way.
 
Malone had a better career than David Robinson. Robinson dropped off a lot after 31. Before that in their peak they were pretty close. Robinson was the MVP for a reason. Head to head for their careers Malone has a slight advantage. If you go by Robinson's peak time he has an advantage. Malone did get the best of him in the playoffs but I would not say Malone destroyed him.

https://www.basketball-reference.co...obinson&player_id2=robinda01&idx=bbr__players
 
At their peak Malone is marginally better than Robinson. For their career Malone is a lot better. Pau is a little better than Rudy. I could go either way with which combo is better but its at least close.

The wing position on the other hand is a complete blowout in favor of Troat.

Drazen should not be a starter in this competition.
 
Ok maybe Malone+rudy are a bit better than Paul and David but start also to focus on the rest of our teams:1-3 + benches...I'm sure Log players cannot overcome my dudes in this roles!
 
Troat Guru said:
Ok maybe Malone+rudy are a bit better than Paul and David but start also to focus on the rest of our teams:1-3 + benches...I'm sure Log players cannot overcome my dudes in this roles!
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Thank you. Now turn in your jazz fan card and walk away with your tail between your legs and walk away for this idiocy.
 
PG

Chris Paul/Kyrie Irving/Hondo

Vs

Kidd/Lowry

People forget the impact Hondo could have at every role from 1-3. One of the best playmakers gives me an extra PG on the floor in almost every lineup. Kidd and Lowry are solid, but just solid. Paul easily matches Kidd, Irving is far ahead of Lowry, and the X-factor pushed be over the top.

Advantage: Paul/Irving/Hondo +++

SG

Petrovic/Hornacek/Hondo

Vs

Dumars/Gervin

Again the Havlicek presence has an impact. No he will not play all 48 minutes, but he averaged over 40 MPG for more than 1 season and at a very high level of play, so he could if needed. Also, I have 2 of the best pure shooters in the game. The perimeter impact will be strong.

Dumars is a strong defender, but he will need to help on Paul in the starting group, and Gervin was never known for D, nor is he a strong outside presence. In this case, we have a push in the starters, and advantage Gervin just for his offensive gravity off the bench, but Hornacek in his prime demanded an individual defender and it is questionable if Gervin is up to the task to work on both ends of the court.

Do the Dumars/Gervin combo eeks this one out, but not by a ton.

Advantage: Dumars/Gervin ++

SF

Havlicek/Johnson/AK

Vs

Erving/Mullin/Worthy

Here I have solid defenders with strong offensive ability. Hondo again shines in his starting role, capably defending against Erving, while demanding his own defender. Johnson easily negates Mullin. The X-factor is Worthy, who pushes this group ahead. But again, AK was a very capable individual defender and was all over the court, one of the few players to put together a 5x5 game, and he did it more than once. This will be a tougher matchup than you might think.

Advantage: Erving/Mullin/Worthy +++

PF

Malone/AK/Johnson

Vs

Gasol/Worthy/Love

Not much to say here. There is no one here who can stand up against Malone. Worthy is undersized for a PF, normally a SF. Love is a negative defender. Pau will give him a bit of trouble but there is no way he can go 1 on 1 against the mailman, who played stellar against much better defenders than Gasol. On the flip side, Malone was one of the best post defenders in the NBA, AK is self-evident, and I have him coming off the bench at the PF where he felt most comfortable, and Johnson was a versatile player at both SF and PF in spot minutes.

Advantage: Malone/AK/John ++

C

Gobert/Embiid/Malone

Vs

Robinson/Gasol/Love

There is no way Robinson can take on this 3-headed beast, and that is what it will amount to. Gasol cannot be both the starting 4 and the primary backup 5. That leaves Love, who is not a plus defender, especially against this group. Imagine Love subbing in on Malone. Or Embiid for that matter. I can also switch it up and move Malone to C, where he logged plenty of minutes, and go small and strong, or run out Embiid and Gobert together. Not a tough decision here, just too much for the Admiral to handle basically on his own.

Advantage: Gobert/Embiid/Malone ++


So just add up the plusses:

Troat: +++++ (5+)

Log” +++++++ (7+)


Notes:

I honestly do not see how Kidd/Dumars/Erving is that far ahead of Paul/Petrovic/Hondo. The bench skews in Troat’s favor for sure, but not that much. Match up for the back court is pretty even actually if you really look at it, and how the players work together.

Troat has too much mid-range, not enough floor spreaders. AK will have a field day on defense, not to mention trying to get anything up in the mid-range against Malone/Gobert/Embiid. Mullin and Lowry are really his only true 3-pt threats, maybe Gasol, while I have Paul/Irving/Pretrovic/Hornacek/Johnson/Embiid to spread the floor. Mix that with the extra strength I have in the post and this will be a very tough out. Give Malone and Embiid all the space they need and they will go to town.

Troat put together a good team, but his lack of floor spacing, inability to contain the post players, and over-loading of his best players on D will be the downfall.

Advantage: LogGrad98
 
Good analysis! I'm agree with you except for:
PF
LogGrad98 said:
Worthy is undersized for a PF, normally a SF.
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If J.Worthy is undersized (I don't think so, but no problem) what about Johnson?
And IMO you are a bit underestimating Big game James
PF Log+ (not ++)
PG
LogGrad98 said:
Kidd and Lowry are solid, but just solid.
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Kidd is underrated: 2nd in steals and assists all-time and also a great defender. Then irving>Lowry ok but not that much. And agree with you Hondo can play evrywhere but anyway as PG he doesn't give his best.
PG: Log+(not ++)

LogGrad98 said:
Mullin and Lowry are really his only true 3-pt threats
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Sorry but Kidd it's 10th in total 3-point field goals made. And Love isn't a bad 3-point shooter at all
 
LogGrad98 said:
C

Gobert/Embiid/Malone

Vs

Robinson/Gasol/Love

There is no way Robinson can take on this 3-headed beast, and that is what it will amount to. Gasol cannot be both the starting 4 and the primary backup 5. That leaves Love, who is not a plus defender, especially against this group. Imagine Love subbing in on Malone. Or Embiid for that matter. I can also switch it up and move Malone to C, where he logged plenty of minutes, and go small and strong, or run out Embiid and Gobert together. Not a tough decision here, just too much for the Admiral to handle basically on his own.

Advantage: Gobert/Embiid/Malone ++


So just add up the plusses:

Troat: +++++ (5+)

Log” +++++++ (7+)
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Not too bad of a write up comparison except for this part. Malone is playing the 4. He isnt getting minutes at Center, if he is your center than your PF position is really weak. Nice try though trying to put him in two places to give you an advantage. Robinson is light years ahead of Gobert. As much as I like Gobert this is a huge advantage for Troat. Joel Embiid has potential but he hasnt done much yet. He hasnt even played more than 64 games in a year plus he playoffs have been limited. Prime Love is much better plus can actually shoot a 3. That gives him ++ at that position.

Troat: +++++++ (7+)

Log” +++++ (5+)
 
Ron Mexico said:
Not too bad of a write up comparison except for this part. Malone is playing the 4. He isnt getting minutes at Center, if he is your center than your PF position is really weak. Nice try though trying to put him in two places to give you an advantage. Robinson is light years ahead of Gobert. As much as I like Gobert this is a huge advantage for Troat. Joel Embiid has potential but he hasnt done much yet. He hasnt even played more than 64 games in a year plus he playoffs have been limited. Prime Love is much better plus can actually shoot a 3. That gives him ++ at that position.

Troat: +++++++ (7+)

Log” +++++ (5+)
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What are you talking about? Malone might do spot minutes at the 5 depending on matchups. Still my entire front court slams his. No comparison. Stop trying to fit the narrative to your vote and accept the fact that you need to change your vote.

Also the plusses are not for each player in a vacuum, it's regarding the matchup. And prime Malone will send prime love home crying in his jock. It's a net negative for troat there.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Troat's bigs are charmin-soft.
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I think that’s a bit unfair to Gasol. He was the second best player by far on a team that won two titles. Robinson was a key contributor on one. They were solid both ways.

Gobert might be efficient but he’s sort of a nonfactor on offense imo especially against someone like Robinson who was long and fairly bouncy. Malone, while physically muscular, was pretty soft when it mattered most.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I think that’s a bit unfair to Gasol. He was the second best player by far on a team that won two titles. Robinson was a key contributor on one. They were solid both ways.

Gobert might be efficient but he’s sort of a nonfactor on offense imo especially against someone like Robinson who was long and fairly bouncy. Malone, while physically muscular, was pretty soft when it mattered most.
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Gobert approaches useless offensively in a context where there isn’t spacing.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I think that’s a bit unfair to Gasol. He was the second best player by far on a team that won two titles. Robinson was a key contributor on one. They were solid both ways.

Gobert might be efficient but he’s sort of a nonfactor on offense imo especially against someone like Robinson who was long and fairly bouncy. Malone, while physically muscular, was pretty soft when it mattered most.
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To be fair Malone carried more than his fair share of the load. With this team he will have more freedom. He'll perform better.

And "soft" meant 30 ppg, 12 rpg, all NBA and all defender teams and finals trips in his primary. Hell he carried an undermanned team to the finals 2 years in a row at an age when most players are consensus nearly washed up. I think you discount him too much.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Gobert approaches useless offensively in a context where there isn’t spacing.
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Hence my floor spacers. And in the first unit the defense will be too focused in on the other 4 threats that all require double teams. Gobert will get more then his share of dunks. Then pair him with embiid for a while. No problem.
 
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