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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

Gameface said:
There are many many laws that go unenforced. This was something I thought about a lot years ago. I came up with the term "selective law enforcement" based on the abundance of laws that are at the discretion of the police to enforce. To me this is a massive problem.

To the point of your post I agree 100%. We should only have laws that MUST be enforced. Police should be required to enforce ALL laws at ALL times.

Of course, that would mean trimming the law books massively and leaving only those things that we deem essential.

I would support that legal system 100%. I would support a system where if a police officer sees a violation then it is their duty to respond and charge the perpetrator to the best of their ability and/or within reason.

Unfortunately we live under a system of selective lawn enforcement that allows for bias, ego, discrimination, etc., to influence who gets charged with a crime and when. It is an inherently unfair system.
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I also would support this legal system 100%. There are way, way too many laws on the books. There’s really no choice but to not enforce them all. I can only imagine all the cops rolling their eyes every time another new law is passed. Just like every manager only enforces their “favorite” or “pet peeve” rules, cops will only enforce their pet peeve things. Cops having quotas doesn’t help the situation either.


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Tangentially, I know two people, who got a $40 ticket in the mail about a month after having driven through Maryland recently.

I actually have no problem with this. So long as people are only getting them for driving about 20-25mph over the speed limit. Seems like a good money maker and a way to get cops off of that crap and use them in some worthwhile way.
 
The Thriller said:
So why not adjust the law so cops weren’t responding to nonfunctional brake lights? I think it takes 10 seconds to think about how making cops respond to brake lights and expired registrations leads to unnecessary escalation and death.
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Because not having cops respond to nonfunctional brake lights leads to unnecessary death. Broken windows theory has shown over and over and over that policing small crimes saves lives.

A more direct example of having the police involved in a small crime causing lives to be saved was the arrest of Garrett James Smith for loitering. It turned out that Garrett James Smith was an ANTIFA terrorist affiliated with the Iron Front out of Portland who had a pipe bomb he intended on using to kill Florida Representative Anthony Sabatini along with anyone in his general vicinity. Those cops policing small crimes saved lives.
 
bigb said:
You’re absolutely right about the escalation. When it boils down to it, the cop’s job is public safety. That’s why it’s part of the Department of Public Safety.
As for your idea of a social worker doing it? Where are we pulling those social workers from? It’s not like there’s an abundance of them in public service. And a mechanic? Again, not a plethora of mechanics around on government payrolls. Are you going to hire a bunch of them to perform this? Where are you coming up with the funds? Not a chance in hell I’m voting for that tax increase.


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You don’t need to vote for a tax increase. -2 officers + 1 social worker + 1 mechanic. You just need to reform the police. This isn't that hard.
 
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Read this article and tell me again how we don’t need to reform the police. This is ridiculous

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Police in this tiny Alabama town suck drivers into legal ‘black hole’

Using unmarked police cars and uniforms without insignia, the town with no traffic lights collected $487 in fines and forfeitures in 2020 for every man, woman and child. Total town income more than doubled from 2018 to 2020 – from $582,000 to more than $1.2 million – as fines and forfeitures...
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The Thriller said:
Read this article and tell me again how we don’t need to reform the police. This is ridiculous

www.al.com

Police in this tiny Alabama town suck drivers into legal ‘black hole’

Using unmarked police cars and uniforms without insignia, the town with no traffic lights collected $487 in fines and forfeitures in 2020 for every man, woman and child. Total town income more than doubled from 2018 to 2020 – from $582,000 to more than $1.2 million – as fines and forfeitures...
www.al.com www.al.com
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Forfeiture in particular seems to be something ripe for abuse. I had a friend busted for selling pot. He was not a huge dealer, just selling enough to get his money back, and freebie weed for himself. Police seized two homes he owned. Two homes worth hundreds of thousands.
 
Red said:
Forfeiture in particular seems to be something ripe for abuse. I had a friend busted for selling pot. He was not a huge dealer, just selling enough to get his money back, and freebie weed for himself. Police seized two homes he owned. Two homes worth hundreds of thousands.
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The war on weed is ridiculous in the extreme. But we allow drinking and tobacco to kill millions and destroy lives and families, but hey, those are accepted by the religious nut-jobs behind the push to abolish "reefer madness", so they are ok, but weed is the debil or something for reasons. Somehow this has to change.
 
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Forfeiture in particular seems to be something ripe for abuse. I had a friend busted for selling pot. He was not a huge dealer, just selling enough to get his money back, and freebie weed for himself. Police seized two homes he owned. Two homes worth hundreds of thousands.
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Right? Why should he lose his property over that?

I've read so much about this over the last few years. There are police departments that vacuum up millions of assets regardless of whether the people they investigate are guilty or not. It's a real racket. It's legalized mob work helped with the aid of public funding. No one wants to talk about this because you'll be deemed "anti police" nor does either political party want to touch these guys over fear of being smeared by their unions.
 
bigb said:
I never said police doesn’t need to be reformed. It’s not an either/or situation to me.


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You certainly made it sound like an either or with the way you framed it:

As for your idea of a social worker doing it? Where are we pulling those social workers from? It’s not like there’s an abundance of them in public service. And a mechanic? Again, not a plethora of mechanics around on government payrolls. Are you going to hire a bunch of them to perform this? Where are you coming up with the funds? Not a chance in hell I’m voting for that tax increase.
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I mean, if you're fine with reforming the police then what are we arguing about then?
 
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The Thriller said:
You don’t need to vote for a tax increase. -2 officers + 1 social worker + 1 mechanic. You just need to reform the police. This isn't that hard.
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If the past couple years is an indication, that does indeed seem the easy way to get more people murdered, raped, and robbed. Thankfully most who tried that recipe have backtracked and are now trying to build back up their police forces to get crime back under control.
 
We need to de-escalate situations, not escalate them.
We need to get rid of all of these incentives the police have to fleece people, especially the most vulnerable (the poor, desperate, and POC).
We need to break down their unions. Police should not be unionized.
We need to raise their hiring standards, institute 3rd party investigations for when they **** up, no more of these internal investigations (aka, sweep things under the rug).
We need to end the war on drugs. End private prisons. Create incentives for rehab.

There's just so much that needs to be done. If police are to serve and protect instead of prey on the most vulnerable and enrich themselves (and those who benefit by the weapons and prisons they use), then they need serious reform.
 
The Thriller said:
You certainly made it sound like an either or with the way you framed it:


I mean, if you're fine with reforming the police then what are we arguing about then?
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Wait, we were arguing? Hold on, let me get in the mood.


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The Thriller said:
What?

Well, I see you’ve run out of insightful or productive thoughts. Thanks I guess?
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It is possible to think it’s a good thing for police to enforce “stupid” laws like brake lights not working and expired registration while still also needing reform. I also think the escalation is a bad idea. That a simple traffic stop escalates sucks. It doesn’t have to be an either/or.
I also firmly believe the vast majority of cops are “good” cops that want nothing more than to do their jobs, be a good person, and go home to their families at the end of their shifts. Of course there are some who feel the need to exert the dominance and power. They’re assholes. There are those people in any profession. Know where they’re prevalent? Building trades.


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Gameface said:
Go ahead and consent to an unnecessary search...

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Mostly for my commute to and from work, which is an hour minimum each way on crowded socal freeways, so to protect myself from the idiots I have to share the road with for the most part, I have a 3-view dashcam, one cam for the front, one for the back, and one inside the car. It can run for an hour or so on battery if the car is turned off, collects video and audio, and it sends data to my phone automatically so I do not have any real limits on data collected. In any event of a stop by police I would leave that sucker running the entire time to be sure, and probably use my phone to record anything if it went beyond a simple "license and registration please" kind of stop.
 
bigb said:
It is possible to think it’s a good thing for police to enforce “stupid” laws like brake lights not working and expired registration while still also needing reform. I also think the escalation is a bad idea. That a simple traffic stop escalates sucks. It doesn’t have to be an either/or.
I also firmly believe the vast majority of cops are “good” cops that want nothing more than to do their jobs, be a good person, and go home to their families at the end of their shifts. Of course there are some who feel the need to exert the dominance and power. They’re assholes. There are those people in any profession. Know where they’re prevalent? Building trades.


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I had a cop stop me because the light that illuminates my license plate was out. The little tiny bulb that sits above the license plate. Apparently this is critical to the function of the car and is illegal to be out. It was late at night on a stretch of freeway between Fernley NV and Reno NV, almost no one else on the road. It was all I could do not to just ask they guy if he was bored or something, as I wasn't speeding and everything else was in order. Weirdest stop I ever had.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I had a cop stop me because the light that illuminates my license plate was out. The little tiny bulb that sits above the license plate. Apparently this is critical to the function of the car and is illegal to be out. It was late at night on a stretch of freeway between Fernley NV and Reno NV, almost no one else on the road. It was all I could do not to just ask they guy if he was bored or something, as I wasn't speeding and everything else was in order. Weirdest stop I ever had.
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I mean I get it’s a “necessary” thing. Cop was definitely bored.
I got pulled over a couple months ago because the sticker on my license was expired, but the registration was up to date. The sticker hadn’t come in the mail yet. The cop was confused as to how it would show up in the system as paid and legal and yet have an expired sticker. Come on bro. Yet I didn’t give hive any grief over it and nothing escalated. That is what it boils down to for me personally. Don’t break the law and there’s nothing to worry about. I am a white male in a predominantly white area though. I couldn’t imagine being a black person in some other places though.


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LogGrad98 said:
Mostly for my commute to and from work, which is an hour minimum each way on crowded socal freeways, so to protect myself from the idiots I have to share the road with for the most part, I have a 3-view dashcam, one cam for the front, one for the back, and one inside the car. It can run for an hour or so on battery if the car is turned off, collects video and audio, and it sends data to my phone automatically so I do not have any real limits on data collected. In any event of a stop by police I would leave that sucker running the entire time to be sure, and probably use my phone to record anything if it went beyond a simple "license and registration please" kind of stop.
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I’ve been looking for something like this. What do you have and how do you like it?


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