Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

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If the past couple years is an indication, that does indeed seem the easy way to get more people murdered, raped, and robbed.

Prove it. Cite a study that compares murders, rapes, and robberies in cities that cut their police funding by 10% or more to cities that increased funding. Make sure that the period measured looks at the effects after defunding took effect, not after a some vote was cast.

Wait, you don't have any such studies, do you? There hasn't been enough time to collect the data yet. As usual, you're just blathering on with no evidence.

Thankfully most who tried that recipe have backtracked and are now trying to build back up their police forces to get crime back under control.

You can't fix by reversing something that didn't break it in the first place.

 

[LogGrad98]

I’ve been looking for something like this. What do you have and how do you like it?


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I just remembered you asked about this. I have a version of this one (below), although I got it through a friend for about 1/2 the price because this is stupid expensive. However, the video is nothing short of spectacular. It hard-wires in, although I have only really done work on the rear camera for that part, having run the wires so it is "installed", however I still need to do the hard-wiring for the main camera and overall power. This one also has parking mode, which allows it to pull a minimal charge from the battery to record if you are parked and the car is off. The one I have has motion sensor so it only turns on if there is motion around the car if you use parking mode. I have used that a few times, mostly when we go to the beach or when we are in LA for whatever reason. It helped me find info on a hit and run for the car parked across from me, since the video is so clear we got not only the license plate but a very clear picture of the driver and had video of him and his wife loading their kid and their gear in their car (he was parked next to me and backed out and rammed the guy parked across from me...and for the record he was driving a microphallus-compensator, i.e. a big jacked-up truck.)

Amazon product ASIN B09JYWX6KM
There are some really good 3-channel systems, if that is what you are looking for, by other companies for a lot less money. Nextbase is a highly recommended brand, as is Vantrue. And they are substantially less if you want just 1 channel - so front view, or 2 channel - front and rear view. This is my third dashcam and I knew I wanted a system that would be somewhat future-proof and provide great images and be hardwired in so I never had to worry about plugging it in and such, so I spent a little more than I really probably should have. But I am happy with it.

Here is a vantrue model similar but a lot cheaper/

Amazon product ASIN B083V6K8RH
There are some by bigger names as well, such as Garmin. Worth checking around. A lot depends on what you want.

 

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[One Brow]

Where's @babe when you need him?

 

[babe]

Where's @babe when you need him?

Yah gotta know, conjuring me up from a series of All Creatures Great and Small with a heat lamp at my feet, the massage chair running and a few blankets, and my wife explaining the action because she's seen them all oh ten times........ well....... thanks. I am glad to come back to the world of sentience, even if it's only JazzFanz.

On the subject of cops and human rights, I defer to the great Sonnie Johnson., who makes the point, often, that Republicans who like police options like this just don't know what it really amounts to. Like many blacks who experience this personally way too often.

There is no adverse consequence to police who violate fundamental rights under color of law, even bad laws. They are just doing their job.

I don't have the problems imcident to doing lawful stuff while black or any other very superficial facrt.

 

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[LogGrad98]

 

[Archie Moses]

Massive increase in Black Americans murdered was result of defund police movement: experts

Black Americans saw a greater spike in murders in 2020 compared to years prior, and at a higher rate than the national increase.

www.yahoo.com

Read this this morning. Not sure if it's cherry picking numbers or if you can really contribute the spike in murders due to defunding the police. I haven't even heard people cry to defund them since who knows when. It almost felt like a trendy thing to do.

 

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Massive increase in Black Americans murdered was result of defund police movement: experts

Black Americans saw a greater spike in murders in 2020 compared to years prior, and at a higher rate than the national increase.

www.yahoo.com

Read this this morning. Not sure if it's cherry picking numbers or if you can really contribute the spike in murders due to defunding the police. I haven't even heard people cry to defund them since who knows when. It almost felt like a trendy thing to do.

What police have been defunded?

 

[The Thriller]

What police have been defunded?

Pretty sure all the liberal places have had defunded police. That’s why crime is so high in these blue states:

The study found that murder rates in the 25 states Trump carried in 2020 are 40% higher overall than in the states Biden won. (The report used 2020 data because 2021 data is not yet fully available.) The five states with the highest per capita murder rate — Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama and Missouri — all lean Republican and voted for Trump.

And despite the surge in homicides nationwide (especially in those liberal blue states of Mississippi, Louisana, Kentucky, Alabama, and Missouri that all defunded their police), crime fell overall in 2020:

‘Overall crime decreased in 2020’ in the U.S., report finds

An analysis by the moderate Democratic group Third Way runs counter to popular perceptions of rising crime nationwide.

www.nbcnews.com

There’s this false narrative going around with fact checkers and stat geeks that America isn’t a smoldering hell hole. Don’t believe them. America sucks at everything. And that’s why we need to be more like Russia or Hungary. America sucks, men need to fake bake their balls, and the police have been left with bread crumbs while socialist CRT trans teachers have been given all the money.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

What police have been defunded?

A ton of police were defunded in 2020, even in Republican states. Even in super-red Utah, Salt Lake City reduced their police budget by $5.3 million. Norman, Oklahoma cut theirs by $865k. Austin, Texas cut a third off their entire police budget. All the big liberal cities slashed police budgets in 2020, such as New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Washington DC, Baltimore, Philly, Portland, the list goes on and on. There were more than 40 major metropolitan areas who had the great idea of defunding their police in 2020.

 

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A ton of police were defunded in 2020, even in Republican states. Even in super-red Utah, Salt Lake City reduced their police budget by $5.3 million. Norman, Oklahoma cut theirs by $865k. Austin, Texas cut a third off their entire police budget. All the big liberal cities slashed police budgets in 2020, such as New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Washington DC, Baltimore, Philly, Portland, the list goes on and on. There were more than 40 major metropolitan areas who had the great idea of defunding their police in 2020.

I only checked New York City. They seem to think their budget went up in 2020.

New York City Fiscal History-Police Department

The Independent Budget Office (IBO) is a publicly funded agency that provides nonpartisan information about New York City's budget to the public and their elected officials.

ibo.nyc.ny.us

2019: 5,668,823
2020: 5,785,046

I only had to check one. Why should I believe you about any of the others?

 

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A ton of police were defunded in 2020, even in Republican states. Even in super-red Utah, Salt Lake City reduced their police budget by $5.3 million. Norman, Oklahoma cut theirs by $865k. Austin, Texas cut a third off their entire police budget. All the big liberal cities slashed police budgets in 2020, such as New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Washington DC, Baltimore, Philly, Portland, the list goes on and on. There were more than 40 major metropolitan areas who had the great idea of defunding their police in 2020.

So for context, the budget for SLC police went from what to what?

The budget increased in liberal SLC in 21-22

The police department gets a boost​

Amid calls to defund the police last year, the council made modest cuts and moved some of the police department’s budget into nondepartmental funds last year. In line with Mendenhall’s recommendation, the council restored the police budget and gave it a bump of nearly $1 million compared to fiscal 2019. The total budget for the police department for the next 12 months is nearly $83.4 million.

The department is grappling with 84 officer vacancies, an increase in resignations, and calls for service that jumped by 20% last year.



The council will be funding 12 more social workers to assist police — double the number of mental health workers the mayor requested — bringing the total number of social workers in the department to 22.

The budget also sets aside $2 million to fund future improvements to police interactions with the public recommended by the Commission for Racial Equity in Policing.

During last year’s protests against police brutality, the Salt Lake City Council voted to cut the police budget by more than $5 million.

But Council Chair Amy Fowler said she and her colleagues never supported defunding the police.

Under the city’s recently approved budget, the council upped the police department’s funding by 5%. On Tuesday evening, they’re expected to finalize $8.5 million in raises for officers as a way to attract and keep employees. The department is experiencing a shortage of officers and an increase in response times.

Fowler said they wanted to look at “serious reform and serious changes.”

She said that includes creating alternative options so law enforcement isn’t the go-to response for every call for service. The council set aside $2 million to explore ways to do that.

“In some ways that is addressing the calls for action that people are asking us to do,” Fowler said. “It's not that we don't need police officers. We need good police officers that are doing their job the right way. And we need a reason to not call them because there’s somebody else I can call.”

 

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I only checked New York City. They seem to think their budget went up in 2020.

New York City Fiscal History-Police Department

The Independent Budget Office (IBO) is a publicly funded agency that provides nonpartisan information about New York City's budget to the public and their elected officials.

ibo.nyc.ny.us

2019: 5,668,823
2020: 5,785,046

I only had to check one. Why should I believe you about any of the others?

Well I checked another one and what do you know...

 

[Gameface]

And the "defunding" of the SLC police didn't actually reduce the money allocated to the police, it just took 5.3 million of their budget and put it into a fund the police department didn't control and spent it on things like body cameras and social workers.

Instead, the council opted to reduce the budget by around $5.3 million, which will likely still go to police functions but held in a non-departmental account that gives the council more oversight over how the funds are used. Councilmembers said $2.8 million will be reserved for to-be-determined items, such as outfitting every officer with new body cameras and additional training. Another $2.5 million will go towards the city’s social worker program.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I only checked New York City. They seem to think their budget went up in 2020.

The defunding in New York took place in 2020 but it was for FY2021

Speaker Corey Johnson, Finance Committee Chair Daniel Dromm, and Capital Budget Subcommittee Chair Vanessa Gibson Announce Agreement on FY 2021 Budget

New York City Council

council.nyc.gov

 

[Al-O-Meter]

And the "defunding" of the SLC police didn't actually reduce the money allocated to the police, it just took 5.3 million of their budget and put it into a fund the police department didn't control and spent it on things like body cameras and social workers.

Social workers aren't police. You can dance but Salt Lake City defunded their police. It is an idea that democrats have since run away from because it was stupid but we shouldn't pretend it didn't happen and who was responsible for it happening.

 

[Gameface]

The defunding in New York took place in 2020 but it was for FY2021

Speaker Corey Johnson, Finance Committee Chair Daniel Dromm, and Capital Budget Subcommittee Chair Vanessa Gibson Announce Agreement on FY 2021 Budget

New York City Council

council.nyc.gov

They cut approximately 1% of the police budget in NYC? During a massive budget shortfall none the less.

 

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Social workers aren't police. You can dance but Salt Lake City defunded their police. It is an idea that democrats have since run away from because it was stupid but we shouldn't pretend it didn't happen and who was responsible for it happening.

The amount of budget reduction was small and in SLC some of that money was spent to shift some police functions to other more appropriate workers.

If you take work off the desk of the SLC police department officers and put that work on the desk of social workers then you haven't defunded the police. You're relived them of some of the burdens that are not appropriate for them and given the funding for those functions to another group.

You brought weak sauce to the party and no one likes it.

 

[One Brow]

The defunding in New York took place in 2020 but it was for FY2021

The budget went back up for 2022, as the fiscal crisis eased.

Five Fast Facts about the NYPD’s Adopted FY 2022 Budget

The more than $10 billion in planned annual spending on the NYPD continues to garner significant attention. NYC’s recently adopted FY 2022 Budget has five important takeaways.

cbcny.org