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Game Thread Jan 19, 2022 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Rockets

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Handlogten's Heros said:
It wasn’t some wacky scheme… it was a ****ing zone… something my middle school Jr. Jazz them ran. We make it look wacky because our guys are either unprepared or just low IQ or they don’t care. Some of that is coaching obviously. Any scheme that depends on Doke and JC making good decisions is likely gonna fail.

Forrest is so obviously a replacement nba player at his best and that is why it’s stupid to waste time playing him. We can find better more complete options to do what he does on the scrap heap. He murders the offense and his defense isn’t good enough to justify murder.

Most nights we have zero energy… EP is like the only high energy guy we have… to have a clear path to playing him when he has done really well is about as bad as it gets. As a coach you should actively look for opportunities to get guys like that involved and it seemed Quin looked for ways to avoid that.

Trade or fire Quin… I’ve seen enough. It’s been time for tough love… Quins a *****.
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It definitely didn't look like a normal zone, but you could be right maybe we are just that bad it looked funky.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
It definitely didn't look like a normal zone, but you could be right maybe we are just that bad it looked funky.
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I seriously just think they do not know how to run a zone. It almost looks like they rarely practice it, so they do not know what to do. Clarkson isn't the only one who gets lost in the zone. Gobert even gets out of position, partly to cover for the other guys' atrocious attempt at staying with anyone, but it also just looks like he doesn't know what he is expected to do in the zone, so he ended up flat-footed more than I think I have seen him in almost any other game in his career. He did well when we went back to switching or man, but that zone was rough for everyone.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
It definitely didn't look like a normal zone, but you could be right maybe we are just that bad it looked funky.
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I mean most zones are the same thing just slightly different. Big guy in the paint and the perimeter guys move on a string and rotate. We are awful at rotating/communicating… so who knows what it was but I’m not giving Quin any credit for “experimenting”. It seemed similar to things we’ve done in the past that haven’t worked… either because they aren’t practiced or our players are dumb or lazy… several pets of that are on the coach… several on the players… their is clearly a disconnect right now.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I seriously just think they do not know how to run a zone. It almost looks like they rarely practice it, so they do not know what to do. Clarkson isn't the only one who gets lost in the zone. Gobert even gets out of position, partly to cover for the other guys' atrocious attempt at staying with anyone, but it also just looks like he doesn't know what he is expected to do in the zone, so he ended up flat-footed more than I think I have seen him in almost any other game in his career. He did well when we went back to switching or man, but that zone was rough for everyone.
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They don’t practice it… Andy basically said as much.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They don’t practice it… Andy basically said as much.
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Welp, when your man and switching coverage sucks and you don't practice the one single alternative to it, that says a lot about coaching priorities doesn't it.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Last nights game was so familiar… the formula is out on us. We haven’t figured out a counter.
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But they won’t win every time. And on those nights we will look really good, so timing of when we look good is important and it can make all the difference. String together a handful of positive drastic anomalies and you may find yourself on the cusp of greatness.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Welp, when your man and switching coverage sucks and you don't practice the one single alternative to it, that says a lot about coaching priorities doesn't it.
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It all fits with what @infection has preached… no need for a plan B because plan A works… if plan A is not working it’s cuz you need to do it harder/better or you just got an unlucky roll of the dice.
 
Last night wasn't really a zone. Well kind of like a 1 man zone. It appeared the plan was to keep Rudy in the paint while the other 4 defenders would rotate on the perimeter to the open man. In theory this would eliminate the wide open cuts to the basket we see all the time when Rudy gets pulled out on a switch by a smaller player

Rudy did his job. The Rockets shot 35% at the rim which is abysmal. But it was glaringly obvious in the first period that The Jazz just didn't have the personnel to make it work.

None of them were good but Clarkson is just especially bad at every facet of team defense. And he was doubly exposed last night when The Jazz tried to do something new.

My guess is he's gone in a couple weeks.
 
infection said:
When all else fails, all else harder.
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Else would have worked but instead of the defender being 16.5 feet from the basket he was 15.2 feet when he started his rotation which ****ed everything up.
 
candrew said:
Last night wasn't really a zone. Well kind of like a 1 man zone. It appeared the plan was to keep Rudy in the paint while the other 4 defenders would rotate on the perimeter to the open man. In theory this would eliminate the wide open cuts to the basket we see all the time when Rudy gets pulled out on a switch by a smaller player

Rudy did his job. The Rockets shot 35% at the rim which is abysmal. But it was glaringly obvious in the first period that The Jazz just didn't have the personnel to make it work.

None of them were good but Clarkson is just especially bad at every facet of team defense. And he was doubly exposed last night when The Jazz tried to do something new.

My guess is he's gone in a couple weeks.
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Wait so last night wasn't a zone but we put one guy next to the basket and the perimeter guys rotated to whoever was open... well that is totally different from a zone where you have one guy next to the basket and the four perimeter guys rotate to the open player.
 
I'd also like to just remind people that Matthews had to take a two way deal from the Rockets because while he was an established good NBA player with the skill that is very coveted around the league... we wanted to hold on to pet projects like Miye Oni... who has yet to be picked up by anyone. If he was some obscure dude that no one knew about then whoops... but I literally mentioned him and I'm and NBA internetard. End of bench **** matters and we continue to have teams do laps around us.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'd also like to just remind people that Matthews had to take a two way deal from the Rockets because while he was an established good NBA player with the skill that is very coveted around the league... we wanted to hold on to pet projects like Miye Oni... who has yet to be picked up by anyone. If he was some obscure dude that no one knew about then whoops... but I literally mentioned him and I'm and NBA internetard. End of bench **** matters and we continue to have teams do laps around us.
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“28 other teams missed on him, too.”
“He wouldn’t work here because [something, something] Quin [something, something] system needs specific guys [something something] Houston is a really terrible team where he’s in a vacuum [something something]” and then more something somethings.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'd also like to just remind people that Matthews had to take a two way deal from the Rockets because while he was an established good NBA player with the skill that is very coveted around the league... we wanted to hold on to pet projects like Miye Oni... who has yet to be picked up by anyone. If he was some obscure dude that no one knew about then whoops... but I literally mentioned him and I'm and NBA internetard. End of bench **** matters and we continue to have teams do laps around us.
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I would love to have Matthews on our team, mostly so we never had to play against him. It's really frustrating for him to jump 10 feet in to a defender when he's shooting.
 
infection said:
“28 other teams missed on him, too.”
“He wouldn’t work here because [something, something] Quin [something, something] system needs specific guys [something something] Houston is a really terrible team where he’s in a vacuum [something something]” and then more something somethings.
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you forgot... "bruh... I'm sure you are smarter than those NBA gms... lolz"

Its hitting on those types of moves that allows you to not have a guy like JC taking up 12M in cap room and giving up first round picks to avoid the tax...

Oh yeah... you also forgot... "bruh we got Royce and Joe... we awesome at end of the bench stuff"

The difference between Royce/Joe and the other pet projects we can't let go of is you can see almost immediately when given some playing time that they were nba caliber players. You may not know to what extent they are players but you can tell. Some of our pets haven't been given a chance but some have been given enough of a chance to make a decision to churn their spot and find something else. Guys like Jon Koncar show you in a small sample they are nba players... its might surprise folks to see him do so well in Memphis... but not me.. it was clear he was effective in limited minutes/role. Miye, Bradley, Doke, Dante, NWG, and soon Forrest will be guys we held on to too long just because we drafted them.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I would love to have Matthews on our team, mostly so we never had to play against him. It's really frustrating for him to jump 10 feet in to a defender when he's shooting.
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I couldn't believe Quin didn't challenge that one. Its like with Harden though... its super effective because the threat of the foul means guys challenge your shot differently and you get more open.
 
Like I get the team isn't complete and everything, but this team is bad right now. Hopefully it's just a rough patch, but losing at home to the Rockets is an inexcusable type of loss. And it's not the only inexcusable type of loss they've had lately.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'd also like to just remind people that Matthews had to take a two way deal from the Rockets because while he was an established good NBA player with the skill that is very coveted around the league... we wanted to hold on to pet projects like Miye Oni... who has yet to be picked up by anyone. If he was some obscure dude that no one knew about then whoops... but I literally mentioned him and I'm and NBA internetard. End of bench **** matters and we continue to have teams do laps around us.
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I mean, great if the Jazz picked him up, but he would just be buried in the bench as Quin has a stubborn refusal to play anyone on the bench.
 
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