Game Thread Jan 19, 2022 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Rockets

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm not worried about the draft. I think we can retool without having to rely on draft success.

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That’s the kind of thinking that leads to failed retooling

 

[SoberasHotRod]

It wasn’t some wacky scheme… it was a ****ing zone… something my middle school Jr. Jazz them ran. We make it look wacky because our guys are either unprepared or just low IQ or they don’t care. Some of that is coaching obviously. Any scheme that depends on Doke and JC making good decisions is likely gonna fail.

Forrest is so obviously a replacement nba player at his best and that is why it’s stupid to waste time playing him. We can find better more complete options to do what he does on the scrap heap. He murders the offense and his defense isn’t good enough to justify murder.

Most nights we have zero energy… EP is like the only high energy guy we have… to have a clear path to playing him when he has done really well is about as bad as it gets. As a coach you should actively look for opportunities to get guys like that involved and it seemed Quin looked for ways to avoid that.

Trade or fire Quin… I’ve seen enough. It’s been time for tough love… Quins a *****.

It definitely didn't look like a normal zone, but you could be right maybe we are just that bad it looked funky.

 

[LoPo]

That’s the kind of thinking that leads to failed retooling

I'm not saying abandon the draft. I'm saying use current pieces to get other current players that fit another vision.

Draft picks are important, but most of the time, title winners draft one piece or maybe two and trade for the rest.

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[LogGrad98]

It definitely didn't look like a normal zone, but you could be right maybe we are just that bad it looked funky.

I seriously just think they do not know how to run a zone. It almost looks like they rarely practice it, so they do not know what to do. Clarkson isn't the only one who gets lost in the zone. Gobert even gets out of position, partly to cover for the other guys' atrocious attempt at staying with anyone, but it also just looks like he doesn't know what he is expected to do in the zone, so he ended up flat-footed more than I think I have seen him in almost any other game in his career. He did well when we went back to switching or man, but that zone was rough for everyone.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It definitely didn't look like a normal zone, but you could be right maybe we are just that bad it looked funky.

I mean most zones are the same thing just slightly different. Big guy in the paint and the perimeter guys move on a string and rotate. We are awful at rotating/communicating… so who knows what it was but I’m not giving Quin any credit for “experimenting”. It seemed similar to things we’ve done in the past that haven’t worked… either because they aren’t practiced or our players are dumb or lazy… several pets of that are on the coach… several on the players… their is clearly a disconnect right now.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I seriously just think they do not know how to run a zone. It almost looks like they rarely practice it, so they do not know what to do. Clarkson isn't the only one who gets lost in the zone. Gobert even gets out of position, partly to cover for the other guys' atrocious attempt at staying with anyone, but it also just looks like he doesn't know what he is expected to do in the zone, so he ended up flat-footed more than I think I have seen him in almost any other game in his career. He did well when we went back to switching or man, but that zone was rough for everyone.

They don’t practice it… Andy basically said as much.

 

[LogGrad98]

They don’t practice it… Andy basically said as much.

Welp, when your man and switching coverage sucks and you don't practice the one single alternative to it, that says a lot about coaching priorities doesn't it.

 

[infection]

Last nights game was so familiar… the formula is out on us. We haven’t figured out a counter.

But they won’t win every time. And on those nights we will look really good, so timing of when we look good is important and it can make all the difference. String together a handful of positive drastic anomalies and you may find yourself on the cusp of greatness.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Welp, when your man and switching coverage sucks and you don't practice the one single alternative to it, that says a lot about coaching priorities doesn't it.

It all fits with what @infection has preached… no need for a plan B because plan A works… if plan A is not working it’s cuz you need to do it harder/better or you just got an unlucky roll of the dice.

 

[infection]

It all fits with what @infection has preached… no need for a plan B because plan A works… if plan A is not working it’s cuz you need to do it harder/better or you just got an unlucky roll of the dice.

When all else fails, all else harder.

 

[candrew]

Last night wasn't really a zone. Well kind of like a 1 man zone. It appeared the plan was to keep Rudy in the paint while the other 4 defenders would rotate on the perimeter to the open man. In theory this would eliminate the wide open cuts to the basket we see all the time when Rudy gets pulled out on a switch by a smaller player

Rudy did his job. The Rockets shot 35% at the rim which is abysmal. But it was glaringly obvious in the first period that The Jazz just didn't have the personnel to make it work.

None of them were good but Clarkson is just especially bad at every facet of team defense. And he was doubly exposed last night when The Jazz tried to do something new.

My guess is he's gone in a couple weeks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

When all else fails, all else harder.

Else would have worked but instead of the defender being 16.5 feet from the basket he was 15.2 feet when he started his rotation which ****ed everything up.