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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz
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toddychurch
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In my opinion, the author uses poor logic in justifying how the Jazz messed up. Ainge did well by not mentioning anything about Gobert or Royce and received good to great value. Zanik says change is inevitable, doesn’t mention Mitchell while Ainge still has said nothing, rumors fly and the Jazz somehow messed up.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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The logic of this article is flimsy. There will be a trade, and it will only be a mistake if Ainge loses the trade.
BENTLEY
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The author procrastinated until the deadline and so last-minute **** out this poorly formed pos critique of the Jazz FO’s maneuvers. Monday morning QB revisionist historian.
The Jazz Wonderbra
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A pick swap with Sacramento historically would suggest a better pick coming your way. So, even though its not extra picks, the kings have only drafted higher than top 10 twice since 1013. There is a pretty good chance we can swap one of Minny picks for a serious upgrade which would otherwise cost us.
For me, I would rather have a swap with the kings every other year than two high picks in each draft.
FrenchJazzFa
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Let's wait the result. But the article is a bit ridiculous. As soon as you trade one of your 2 best players, people will talk and you cannot avoid that. Nothing to do for me with the value we can expect from Don trade.
The only point that can be criticize for talking about how Don will react if he have to come back to Utah. 100% motivated? Not sure. At least his defense could not be worse than last year....
The only point that can be criticize for talking about how Don will react if he have to come back to Utah. 100% motivated? Not sure. At least his defense could not be worse than last year....
LoPo
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Our failures came because we never finished building a roster which is necessary to compete in the modern day playoffs. That's on DL despite the fact that he did make some very good moves starting the building process.
Quin is a very good coach who never had adjustments ready for modern day playoff basketball. Sure we could just blame it all on DL, but Quin never using crucial small ball tactics is on him.
But you never addressed the joy part of the game. Superstars in many sports can underachieve when there is no joy.
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FrenchJazzFa
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I agree with that. This year, they failed because no one was happy to be here. As Mike say, i'm here for a job... to win a championship, you have to be happy and ready to help your teammate. This year all players have just done the miminum. And for me you can blame the coach for that too. He should have take action, not let the team slide step by step....
SteakNEggs
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Complete lack of leadership and adulthood then. This was our biggest downfall, no doubt. None of these guys were leaders, not a single player is/was mentally tough, not one. These immature players are getting paid a lot of money and to sit and pout instead of take the bull by the horns and give it their all, says everything about them.
If what you guys say is true, which I think it is, good riddance to every single one of them. Coach included.
In essence, you’re saying that DL and Quin’s failings are unforgivable, while Donovan’s are perfectly understandable.
LoPo
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No, I'm saying that the environment sucked, everybody is at least a little to blame, and player performances can be attributed to the lack of joy.
I've already piled on Don for his occasional lack of effort. Rudy for occasionally being a diva. Conley for being a disappointment when it mattered most. etc etc.
Last year wasn't fun for a lot of guys. That doesn't mean that Don is a bad defender forever. Or Conley is completely washed. Or Rudy won't ever get better at certain offensive skills. etc.
Oh, and coaches and front office are always the first ones to be blamed. That's sports.
lmao wut?
LoPo
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I would assume you are smart enough to understand the statement, but you know what people say about assuming.
You just made something up.
LoPo
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Oh really? Ask Frank Vogel.
Players take flack, but they don't take the ultimate blame. Coaches first then front office.
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So Vando signed with Klutch… guess he will be in the big Lakers trade that is surely coming.
Coaches get fired first, but they dont get blamed first. It's just a product of the salary and CBA rules. We are perfectly able to assign blame using our eyes.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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For the typical fan, that is. People who are fans of players over teams always blame coaches and ownership, and do so without having access to the whole story. It's strange that you would align yourself with the low-IQ mob that way.
Coaches and team officials don't really air their grievances online like players do. Mitchell had been an exception on that front to players in his tier, but the amazing thing is that he hasn't had to be explicit about his wanting out. It has been apparent in his play.
Personal responsibility to fulfill a contract professionally goes far beyond media acumen. Mitchell's half-assed message (through his play and attitude) to the organization and to the fans underscores an egregious lack of leadership. I'm ecstatic that there are teams out there who do not care about such qualities.
Ainge is absolutely correct to lead the organization to trade in Mitchell's prime value for future assets.
It is beyond me that anyone with a brain would place equal blame on the coaches or GM for Donovan's play over the last year. His personal responsibility is paramount.
If it's true that Don has wanted out for years, then it undermines any argument against Snyder. Quibble about coaching decisions and details if you must, that's all fair. But it is not on equal footing to being forced to work with someone who already has their foot out the door. At all.
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outerspacefan
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Quin already acknowledged his responsibility walking away with his "another voice is needed".
But I'm as convinced as a fan can be that coach was the less to blame.
Somewhere along the roller coaster these last seasons have been the players started not standing for each other.
Not rare at all, specially within the franchise frame of big changes taking place...
And my nose still smells Wade ways were not ideal...
But I'm as convinced as a fan can be that coach was the less to blame.
Somewhere along the roller coaster these last seasons have been the players started not standing for each other.
Not rare at all, specially within the franchise frame of big changes taking place...
And my nose still smells Wade ways were not ideal...
LoPo
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Overblown - "foot out the door" garbage. Right now is the perfect opportunity to force his foot out he door, and he hasn't. But here comes the "doesn't want to blame his image" argument. Playing for a team trying to lose like Ainge is aiming at would hurt his image.
Overblown - his lack of effort. It's getting blown way out of proportion as just another means to blame him. He tried a hell of a lot more than he's being given credit for. Even on defense. Don busted his *** a lot for this franchise, and y'all are disrespecting that.
Players get blamed just like everybody gets blamed to a certain degree, but front offices build the teams and coaches coach them. That's why they are held more accountable. DL failed Don and Rudy so much more than Don and Rudy ever failed the Utah Jazz. That's why DL is gone. Quin is gone because he couldn't lead. Much like Mark Jackson in GS, Quin did good things but he wasn't the answer to take the team over that next hump. Quin realized he couldn't go further so he stepped away. He took some of the blame. As he should have.