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Game Thread Dec 09, 2022 07:00PM MT: Jazz vs Timberwolves

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
The future is pretty bleak for Ochai. Never seen a 4 year college player of his stature seem so bad out there
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He was good tonight. G league isn’t really his spot. His numbers aren’t good there and obviously I’d rather he be dominating down there but it’s not a place for a 3 and D role player to shine.
 
Elizah Huge said:
The difference between our defense this year and last year is our guys try this year they just aren’t the best defenders and last year we had capable defenders who didn’t try (I’m talking about you Donovan).
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I think Lauri is our like second best defender… our most effective offensive weapon too… was always gonna be rough with him gone… was extra rough tonight.

One thing they need to do is a few times they had guys chasing offensive rebounds super late that they had no shot at… it’s basically 2 points every time you do that. Go after the offensive glass but have just a little discretion ya know.
 
fishonjazz said:
Agreed. My point wasn't to make him seem bad. Sexton had just missed like a whole year with a much worse injury, is playing for a new team, was in a new role (coming off the bench) and then got put in another new role as the starting point guard. And he played great. Yet still got hated on pretty hard by a few weirdos. Both players are very good and not perfect every second of every game. That was the point. Im pretty certain that even after conley has been back for awhile you could find plays from him in each game to nitpick if ya want like was happening with Sexton.
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We missed Sexton tonight. There is value in having guys that can beat their guy off the dribble… even when sometimes bad decisions follow.
 
Jazz have now lost 10 of their last 15 games. It definitely doesn't get any easier, next up is at Denver on a back-to-back then two games against the west #1 seed Pelicans, followed by the east #1 seed Bucks and Cavs on the road.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The future is pretty bleak for Ochai. Never seen a 4 year college player of his stature seem so bad out there
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I appreciate what you are doing here. Ochai breakout coming soon.....

2-2 from the field with 5 points and 3 rebounds in 12 minutes. Better than quite a few players on the team tonight.
 
Jingled said:
Jazz have now lost 10 of their last 15 games. It definitely doesn't get any easier, next up is at Denver on a back-to-back then two games against the west #1 seed Pelicans, followed by the east #1 seed Bucks and Cavs on the road.
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We should sit everyone tomorrow. Maybe we split games with NO but they playing really well. We gonna end up in the stupid play in and get the 14th pick. Shrug.
 
fishonjazz said:
I appreciate what you are doing here. Ochai breakout coming soon.....

2-2 from the field with 5 points and 3 rebounds in 12 minutes. Better than quite a few players on the team tonight.
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He also played good defense. Cy gives THT like 5 years of runway but wants to write Ochai off in 10 G League games.
 
Just watch replay as time difference with France not good at all. Pretty poor shooting night, it happen., Glad to see Mike back even if he was not at his best which is normal after 3 weeks off. Hope he rest tomorrow against Denver ( B2B). I can't stand to see Gay anymore in this team. And THT is back to his normal level.....let's wait the next 5 games but it might be time to tank.
 

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Rudy keeping his house here. Get him back in a Jazz jersey (hopefully not the current ones). Buy low.

A little bit of Jazz history… our first trade with the Wolves we sent out Jazz legend Thurl Bailey and got back… Tyrone Corbin. We got him back for a second stint in the ‘98-‘99 season and he’s been with/around the organization ever since. With Corbin, well… you know.

You know who else we got from Minnesota? That’s right — Sidney Lowe.
 
We're definitely the worst team in the league at defending the point of attack, and/or shot-happy combo guards. It's like we don't understand how to guard those guys. We try to go over the high screens, yes, but we fail to stay in contact with the ballhandler. Guys are just going through the motions. Sure they try to look like they're playing fierce lockdown D when it's 1-on-1 out in the backcourt, but it's almost like the arrival of a screen is a signal that they can let up a bit.

Dudes like Russell only need a sliver of daylight and the ball is going up. Everybody in the building knows it. I just think the guards need to fight through the screen much more aggressively (and if it's a moving screen at the point of attack like it often is, ****ing FLOP when you're going around it) AND the bigs can't be so low in the drop. Bottom line is, we have to bother the ballhandler much more for it to have any effect. Sure it leads to rotating like hell from the wing and all kinds of scrambling when the pass to the roller comes, but for a team like this, there's no substitute for heady rotating and good anticipation anyway. That's how our defense looked quite passable to start the season. For some reason, that kind of effort is gone now. We're swiping at the ball, getting burned by backdoow cuts, falling asleep on the weak side.

I guess our guys have seen the same stats we have - the offense is still humming, so they think they don't HAVE to play defense. The problem is, we've lost 10 of 15 and it's mainly because we can't guard anyone in the backcourt or the perimeter. Kessler gets blocks but he's not at a point where we can just funnel ballhandlers toward him. He pretty much stays in the "hole" and waits. Meanwhile, opposing guards are scoring on open midrange jumpers like they're layups.

Have to get back to playing team defense and get everyone on the same page.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
We should sit everyone tomorrow. Maybe we split games with NO but they playing really well. We gonna end up in the stupid play in and get the 14th pick. Shrug.
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Yep. We're going to end up with a mediocre draft pick, and then probably lose the play in and end up not even making the playoffs anyway. As fun as it was, that 10-3 start will likely come back to haunt us.
 
Gobert was magnificent tonight - his mere presence effectively impeded our short game though he apparently didn’t actually swat anything (neither did Kessler). Finch game planned well for us, getting Gobert involved early and often, which worked like a charm getting Kessler in early foul trouble. For his part, Gobert really locked in tonight, continuing his upward trending with his new team after a rocky start. (Earlier this season Wolves announcers were actually talking candidly about the trade being a possible failure and in one or two of the games Rudy didn’t get passed to.) So, the Gobert vindication angle was some small consolation unless you’re so jaded that you’d rather see Gobert fail to get a long shot at the lottery.

Since the paint was shut down, we had to hit from deep and midrange, which we failed to accomplish. The fact that Minny shot significantly higher percentages in both categories was really the big story as we had fewer turnovers and just four fewer boards (I believe). Having a healthy Laurie and Sexton would have made a difference I believe, but if $hit were biscuits, nobody would go hungry either.
 
I went to this one, some random thoughts:
-Noticed Rudy G was up out of his chair and moving around anxiously during timeouts early in the game. It must be crazy coming back to the place you called home for so long and he probably had to get the jitterbugs out
- I was super bummed that Lauri didnt play tonight, think it could have been the difference between winning and losing
- The standing O to Rudy was really cool, was glad to experience it
- On the same note potshots fans take at Rudy during the game go from from mild to straight up bizarre. Noticed it when Memo came back as well. Do other teams fans do this?
- Seeing defensive mistakes happen live in person is worse than tv, we got major issues at that end.
- Brittney Griner was reportedly boo'd though I didnt hear any, it was more neutral than anything.
- Crumbl cookies are like crack to jazz fans. The guy next to me got up and screamed at the top of his lungs like a crazed animal for a chance at a cookie, he didnt get one.
 
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