Protestors storm capital

Gameface said:

The "government" ranges from small town councils, to state legislatures, to hundreds upon hundreds of federal agencies, our supreme court, both houses of congress and the executive branch, military branches, agencies within those branches, the IRS, FDA, BLM, EPA, CIA, FBI, secret service, etc..

The government is lying to us about "everything" you say? Huh, if that were true it would be an amazingly astonishing accomplishment.

Speaking in such absolutes is not beneficial to your credibility, as it were.

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This.

I should be more specific, you’re right.
The daughter of a war criminal (Liz Cheney) and the rest of the Jan 6th committee (which is “bipartisan”) lied to the public about this event the entire time. They spread false narratives about individuals involved and used this to try to further turn more Americans against each other, it’s sad that so many folks ate these lies up like they were COVID booster shots.

mongoose01 said:

I should be more specific, you’re right.
The daughter of a war criminal (Liz Cheney) and the rest of the Jan 6th committee (which is “bipartisan”) lied to the public about this event the entire time. They spread false narratives about individuals involved and used this to try to further turn more Americans against each other, it’s sad that so many folks ate these lies up like they were COVID booster shots.

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Where did all the video of the individuals come from?

View: https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/1633644939593564161?s=46&t=QT7YFlZ_IlHq81PpZAhKgw


It’s interesting to me how Tucker and other top brass at Fox News feel the same way about Trump and Trumpism as most liberals. My view of Trump really isn’t that dissimilar from Tucker’s or Murdoch’s. But rather than call it out and tell their audience the truth, they treat their audience like complete morons. They feed them performative nonsense that they don’t believe in because there’s a market for ******** and they’re afraid other media markets like Newsmax might steal away some of their dumbest viewers.

Folks like Tucker put up a front, pretending to believe in ********, while really he’s just exploiting the dumbest and most bitter in our society for a quick and easy buck. Fox News patronizes their audience, pretending to be “one of them” while mocking them in private texts. It sure would be nice if some of these addicts ever woke up. I doubt many will. They’d rather go down on this ship rather than admit that they’ve been taken for a ride.

All of this contributes to my opinion that People who still worship trump and/or believe in Tucker are either 1) dumber than bricks or 2) suffering from a severe lack of character. Might sound harsh but at least I’m honest about it, unlike your favorite Fox News hosts. Sadly, these hosts will continue to exploit racial and cultural grievances, feed their viewers paranoia and hate, and treat their viewers with complete and utter contempt.

mongoose01 said:

I should be more specific, you’re right.
The daughter of a war criminal (Liz Cheney) and the rest of the Jan 6th committee (which is “bipartisan”) lied to the public about this event the entire time. They spread false narratives about individuals involved and used this to try to further turn more Americans against each other, it’s sad that so many folks ate these lies up like they were COVID booster shots.

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Just because you believe Carlson’s BS doesn’t mean it isn’t BS. And it’s Carlson turning Americans against Americans. We believe what we want to believe. I’m no exception, I’m sure. It’s not an effort to enlighten us at all. It’s an effort to rewrite history. It’s propaganda. You’re falling for it. That’s your right, but don’t expect the majority of Americans to not recognize Carlson’s BS when it’s so transparent, and his duplicity so out in the open at the moment. What a failure of civic morality. What a traitor. if you ask me. That’s because I think purposefully inflicting damage on the body politic, is a crime of the highest order. How dare this SOB deliberately damage our nation this way?!

mongoose01 said:

I should be more specific, you’re right.
The daughter of a war criminal (Liz Cheney) and the rest of the Jan 6th committee (which is “bipartisan”) lied to the public about this event the entire time. They spread false narratives about individuals involved and used this to try to further turn more Americans against each other, it’s sad that so many folks ate these lies up like they were COVID booster shots.

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Trump supporters stormed the capital because they believed the election was stolen.

Let's start there.

Ok... go.

Gameface said:

Trump supporters stormed the capital because they believed the election was stolen.

Let's start there.

Ok... go.

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Pretty embarrassing that people still don't know the difference between a capital and capitol.

*Not directed at you but guys like fish, red, thriller, log, gandalfe...*

Did we ever figure out who that poster was that threatened to assassinate a sitting president Trump on this very board ? I remember him saying something along the lines that if Trump came to his city he would assassinate him? I'm guessing he's banned but I'm trying to remember who he was. He was highly regarded and supported and propped up around here by you guys.

Gameface said:

Trump supporters stormed the capital because they believed the election was stolen.

Let's start there.

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I'll answer for him.




No they didn't.




Your turn.

I think some people believe that when the committee was investigating the insurrection and crimes committed at the capital that they should have shown video footage of people playing on their phones out on the lawn and video footage of people eating a sandwich on a bench next to their stop the steal signs and things like that. In addition to the video evidence of cops being attacked and property being destroyed.
Like they should have alternately shown a video of insurrectionist maga folks bashing cops over the head and breaking windows and stuff followed by some protesters just hanging out doing no wrongdoing. I dont know how that would change anything or help the investigations of crimes committed but I think that is what some people seem to think the committee should have done for some strange reason.

Gameface said:

Trump supporters stormed the capital because they believed the election was stolen.

Let's start there.

Ok... go.

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Sure there were a bunch of idiots in pajamas trespassing on the capitol, but why is that more important than the obvious corruption of our elected officials turning American citizens against each other? I'm sure there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoing by folks that were there, so why are they creating mascots and false narratives? Why are they using their power and influence to put Americans in jail because they have a convenient name or because they look extreme? The idiots that were there trespassing and destroying property didn't swear an oath to protect the constitution and then **** all over it with every opportunity.
You guys and your whataboutisms again....

I'm still surprised for some reason by Democrats so easily doing the bidding of and bowing down to big government, the war machine, and big corporate America- its quite the about-face

Mongoose said:

Sure there were a bunch of idiots in pajamas trespassing on the capitol, but why is that more important than the obvious corruption of our elected officials turning American citizens against each other? I'm sure there is plenty of evidence of wrongdoing by folks that were there, so why are they creating mascots and false narratives? Why are they using their power and influence to put Americans in jail because they have a convenient name or because they look extreme? The idiots that were there trespassing and destroying property didn't swear an oath to protect the constitution and then **** all over it with every opportunity.
You guys and your whataboutisms again....

I'm still surprised for some reason by Democrats so easily doing the bidding of and bowing down to big government, the war machine, and big corporate America- its quite the about-face

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You keep saying things like "the committee was lying" and "creating mascots and false narratives" yet you dont give any examples of the lies or the mascots or false narratives. The committee and/or the democrats aren't putting Americans in jail. courts/judges/lawyers/law enforcement does that. There are plenty of republicans in positions in courtrooms and law enforcement agencies. Courts go by laws and evidence not convenient names or extreme looks.

fishonjazz said:

...you dont give any examples of the lies or the mascots or false narratives. The committee and/or the democrats aren't putting Americans in jail. courts/judges/lawyers/law enforcement does that. There are plenty of republicans in positions in courtrooms and law enforcement agencies. Courts go by laws and evidence not convenient names or extreme looks.

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There is an example happening right now that touches on every point in your statement. The FBI was caught having destroyed evidence and lying under oath in a court case about their involvement in J6. It seems not all FBI agents are equally adept a destroying evidence and one agent only hid rows in the FBI's internal communication system, but when unhiding those rows it made clear that other rows in the FBI's Lync messaging system were deleted entirely, and those rows were related to internal requests to destroy evidence.


View: https://twitter.com/JMichaelWaller/status/1633820499913621505


The judge hasn't ruled yet on throwing out the entire case against the defendant whose legal team found the evidence of the FBI's malfeasance but he did clear the courtroom immediately. The DOJ has now claimed the evidence the defense team found proving the FBI was destroying evidence is "classified" information the defense team cannot posses.


View: https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1633858916873535489

Trumpers admit to lying about the 2020 election… again. Perhaps the deep state got to Jenna?

CNN —
Jenna Ellis was censured by a disciplinary judge in Colorado Wednesday, in the latest effort to hold accountable attorneys who boosted former President Donald Trump’s 2020 election reversal gambits.

Ellis signed a stipulation stating that several comments she made about the 2020 election violated professional ethics rules barring reckless, knowing or intentional misrepresentations by attorneys

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She admitted to 10 big lies:

Al-O-Meter said:

The FBI was caught having destroyed evidence and lying under oath in a court case about their involvement in J6.

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If your ire were also directed at the police departments where this happens on a daily basis (within which several of the Jan 6 defendants work, IIRC), I would gladly join you in the condemnation. Until then, it's "chickens coming home to roost".

Al-O-Meter said:

There is an example happening right now that touches on every point in your statement. The FBI was caught having destroyed evidence and lying under oath in a court case about their involvement in J6. It seems not all FBI agents are equally adept a destroying evidence and one agent only hid rows in the FBI's internal communication system, but when unhiding those rows it made clear that other rows in the FBI's Lync messaging system were deleted entirely, and those rows were related to internal requests to destroy evidence.


View: https://twitter.com/JMichaelWaller/status/1633820499913621505


The judge hasn't ruled yet on throwing out the entire case against the defendant whose legal team found the evidence of the FBI's malfeasance but he did clear the courtroom immediately. The DOJ has now claimed the evidence the defense team found proving the FBI was destroying evidence is "classified" information the defense team cannot posses.


View: https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1633858916873535489

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Exactly. Like I said, it isn't the democrats or the j6th committee that are putting people in jail. Its law enforcement/judges/lawyers/jurys etc. Which is made up of many many republicans and independent voters as well as democrats.

More whataboutisms- it’s the default response to the horrible corrupt politicians, and corporations you all are so eager to be carrying water for.

mongoose01 said:

More whataboutisms- it’s the default response to the horrible corrupt politicians, and corporations you all are so eager to be carrying water for.

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More vague accusations and nothing burgers.

fishonjazz said:

You keep saying things like "the committee was lying" and "creating mascots and false narratives" yet you dont give any examples of the lies or the mascots or false narratives. The committee and/or the democrats aren't putting Americans in jail. courts/judges/lawyers/law enforcement does that. There are plenty of republicans in positions in courtrooms and law enforcement agencies. Courts go by laws and evidence not convenient names or extreme looks.

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Another Pulitzer prize winning journalist has documented many many examples here in a recent article I think everyone should read- https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/lynching-the-deplorables

From the article-
“We are God-loving patriots,” she said. “Who’s going to be next? It’s not about Republican or Democrat or white or Black, Christian, or Muslim. We are all children of God. We are all U.S. American citizens. We are all entitled to our constitutional rights and freedom of speech. We can all come together and agree on that, right?”

The cheerleading, or at best indifference, by Democratic Party supporters and much of the left to these show trials will come back to haunt them. We are exacerbating the growing tribalism and political antagonisms that will increasingly express themselves through violence. We are complicit, once again, of using the courts to carry out vendettas. We are corroding democratic institutions. We are hardening the ideology and rage of the far-right. We are turning those being hounded to prison into political prisoners and martyrs. We are moving ever closer towards tyranny.

Mongoose said:

Another Pulitzer prize winning journalist has documented many many examples here in a recent article I think everyone should read- https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/lynching-the-deplorables

From the article-
“We are God-loving patriots,” she said. “Who’s going to be next? It’s not about Republican or Democrat or white or Black, Christian, or Muslim. We are all children of God. We are all U.S. American citizens. We are all entitled to our constitutional rights and freedom of speech. We can all come together and agree on that, right?”

The cheerleading, or at best indifference, by Democratic Party supporters and much of the left to these show trials will come back to haunt them. We are exacerbating the growing tribalism and political antagonisms that will increasingly express themselves through violence. We are complicit, once again, of using the courts to carry out vendettas. We are corroding democratic institutions. We are hardening the ideology and rage of the far-right. We are turning those being hounded to prison into political prisoners and martyrs. We are moving ever closer towards tyranny.

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I am not a God loving patriot. I am not a child of God. She can go **** herself.

One Brow said:

If your ire were also directed at the police departments where this happens on a daily basis (within which several of the Jan 6 defendants work, IIRC), I would gladly join you in the condemnation. Until then, it's "chickens coming home to roost".

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This does not happen on a daily basis with police departments. Law enforcement lying on the stand is rare and knowingly destroying evidence is so uncommon that shows are made about it when it does. I won't say it never happens because it does and there is a procedure for when it happens but what I have never seen, ever, is for a police department employee getting caught in a lie and the federal government stepping in to declare the evidence of the lie to be classified.

As far as being consistent, I don't think you'll find a place where I have ever given support to holding back information to protect conservatives. I don't trust conservative government either.