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Bawse Dawg said:
Okay?

This is like Melo's thing where somehow not playing at all is better for your draft stock than playing in the biggest games at the college level and sometimes making mistakes.
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Bro I’m just playing devils advocate here because you mentioned two shots (one he didn’t even make) as a reason you think he could be a better shooter.
 
KqWIN said:
People know it's the obvious concern, but then they go on to say they have extreme confidence he will either become a good shooter or that it doesn't matter. I'm saying that when it comes to this topic, people are way too tilted in one direction.
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Right, no chance Topic can become a better defender but Castle FOR SURE can become a better shooter.
 
KqWIN said:
People know it's the obvious concern, but then they go on to say they have extreme confidence he will either become a good shooter or that it doesn't matter. I'm saying that when it comes to this topic, people are way too tilted in one direction.
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People planting their flag on draft prospects they like is nothing new.
 
KqWIN said:
Seems like people are acting like he's a top 5 lock and don't see his shooting as a concern at all. I might actually have him in the top 5 of my board, but I still think it's an oversight to see the obvious concern. Most players that are extremely hesitant to shoot and shoot 27% from 3 do not turn into above average shooters. Please do not pull up some anecdotal name that did, that's not how it works. Like I said, there's always a chance a bad shooter turns into a good one, but the extreme confidence people have in him either improving or that it doesn't matter is a bit much for me.

I'm more convinced when people can acknowledge both sides to a topic. Seems like people are just turning a blind eye on Castle's shooting.
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Please tell me how it works then. You should generally look to the past to find examples where it did and didn't work? Can't turn a blind eye to the bad ones but there are plenty of guys who had his shooting profile that developed... and plenty who didn't. I'd say its close to 50/50 whether he will develop as an average to slightly above average shooter.
 
People are so horny for positional size, Topic is bigger and longer than Castle. He’s also a lot bigger than Keyonte.
 
Elizah Huge said:
We really using any excuse for Castle now… huh. He’s playing within the team that’s why he passed up wide open threes. Maybe it’s the fact he shot 26.7% from three on the year and isn’t confident shooting it.
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He's too good of a kid and such a hard worker, that is what prevented him from taking and making 3's. Trust me bro.

Elizah Huge said:
Right, no chance Topic can become a better defender but Castle FOR SURE can become a better shooter.
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Tbh, I'm suspicious on Topic. Don't add me to that.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Please tell me how it works then. You should generally look to the past to find examples where it did and didn't work? Can't turn a blind eye to the bad ones but there are plenty of guys who had his shooting profile that developed... and plenty who didn't. I'd say its close to 50/50 whether he will develop as an average to slightly above average shooter.
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I said this on the pod but in reality those past guys don’t matter at all. It’s kind of the same thing as when they say x team hasn’t beaten y in over 10+ years. Well those past teams and players have no barring on the current team. It’s all a case by case basis.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Bro I’m just playing devils advocate here because you mentioned two shots (one he didn’t even make) as a reason you think he could be a better shooter.
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I said his shot looked fine mechanically and I believe in his attitude and work ethic to get better.

Didn't you love Anthony Black last year?
 
Also, for as much as people **** on Anthony Black last year for being a non-shooter he shot a higher % on more attempts in the worst offensive scheme imaginable. It’s an apples to oranges comparison.
 
KqWIN said:
Seems like people are acting like he's a top 5 lock and don't see his shooting as a concern at all. I might actually have him in the top 5 of my board, but I still think it's an oversight to see the obvious concern. Most players that are extremely hesitant to shoot and shoot 27% from 3 do not turn into above average shooters. Please do not pull up some anecdotal name that did, that's not how it works. Like I said, there's always a chance a bad shooter turns into a good one, but the extreme confidence people have in him either improving or that it doesn't matter is a bit much for me.

I'm more convinced when people can acknowledge both sides to a topic. Seems like people are just turning a blind eye on Castle's shooting.
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I'm not... there is obvious concern with his shooting.... not just that it doesn't go in but IMO he clearly lacks confidence in it and is passing on shots he needs to take. And despite all that, I still like him the best from all the prospects I've watched so far and I do think there are reasons to think he will improve his shooting(form looks good and repeatable, FT% is solid, work ethic and attitude)
 
Elizah Huge said:
Right, no chance Topic can become a better defender but Castle FOR SURE can become a better shooter.
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I'd say there are 5x the examples of guys with Castle's shooting profile that became decent/good shooters than there are guys with Topic's defensive profile that became good defenders. Guys develop... guessing which guys develop which skills is hard.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
I said his shot looked fine mechanically and I believe in his attitude and work ethic to get better.

Didn't you love Anthony Black last year?
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I have Castle ranked 4th right now. That does not mean I am not worried about his shot.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'd say there are 5x the examples of guys with Castle's shooting profile that became decent/good shooters than there are guys with Topic's defensive profile that became good defenders. Guys develop... guessing which guys develop which skills is hard.
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Well, how many 6’7 PG’s with a 7’0 wingspan are there in the NBA?
 
Can people post their top 5-10 players? I'm very certain at least half the players on any list will have shooting concerns. That's like the thing basically every single prospect has to improve to make it at the next level.

Elizah Huge said:
I have Castle ranked 4th right now. That does not mean I am not worried about his shot.
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If worry means, this is his very obvious glaring flaw that will be need to be improved, then yea. I think everyone feels the same way
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Can people post their top 5-10 players? I'm very certain at least half the players on any list will have shooting concerns. That's like the thing basically every single prospect has to improve to make it at the next level.


If worry means, this is his very obvious glaring flaw that will be need to be improved, then yea. I think everyone feels the same way
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Not the way it is being dismissed around here.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Topic at least has the tools to become a better defender with his size. 6’7 in shoes with a 7’0 wingspan. I’m willing to bet on a guy with those measurables.
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He does. But #1 imma need to see an official measurement before I give him a 7' wingspan. #2 plenty of guys that are bigger pgs aren't good on defense. He's a fine prospect. Castle and Topic should be in the same tier imo. Just think Castle is going to be easier to fit next to other guys.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Please tell me how it works then. You should generally look to the past to find examples where it did and didn't work? Can't turn a blind eye to the bad ones but there are plenty of guys who had his shooting profile that developed... and plenty who didn't. I'd say its close to 50/50 whether he will develop as an average to slightly above average shooter.
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Poor shooting indicators generally lead to poor shooting results. That's how it works. You should look to the past and that includes all players, not one off anecdotes. If you actually think naming a random anecdotal player that did or did not improve his shooting is how it works, I don't know what to tell ya.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He does. But #1 imma need to see an official measurement before I give him a 7' wingspan. #2 plenty of guys that are bigger pgs aren't good on defense. He's a fine prospect. Castle and Topic should be in the same tier imo. Just think Castle is going to be easier to fit next to other guys.
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I’ll take the better player over the better fit 10/10 times.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I mean, if a guy is literally daring you to shoot and you don’t it’s definitely a confidence thing. A wide open three is one of the best shots available (might be the best?).

Reed absolutely played the worst game of his college career against Oakland. A lot of factors went into that but I don’t think Reed has any confidence issues shooting the ball. That is grasping at straws to the highest degree.
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Is it? Reed is one of the most efficient players in the history of college ball so why wasn't he shooting more? You seem to want to say Castle not shooting is showing low confidence, but when Sheppard did it it's something else? In 12 games this season Sheppard took 5 or less shots. Seems like a guy who wanted to preserve his percentages because his main ticket is his efficiency....
 
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