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That’s not data
Please don’t tell me you are one of those guys who says we’re not a democracy but rather a republic. Clearly we are both.
Pure nonsense.
The Thriller
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Imagine if Biden did any of these. The media would be having a feeding frenzy. It would be like a bleeding man in the ocean being surrounded by sharks and batteries!
Two dollar mortgages?! Wow! No wonder why the economy crashed under Trump. How’s a bank supposed to turn a profit with $2 dollar mortgages?
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Dr Ronny Johnson? Dementia! He’s too old! Why don’t republicans replace Trump?
View: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1802107735179243826?s=46
View: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1802104631100670421?s=46
View: https://x.com/rothschildmd/status/1802106643674800589?s=46
Trying to desensitize us to what’s going to be a human rights catastrophe?
View: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1802111774503674268?s=46
He already blackmailed him last election cycle. Now he’s going to seek retribution for the first impeachment by cutting off military aid and feeding Ukraine to his buddy Vlad? Keep this in mind come November. I know some here might want a few more pennies to blow on eggs and gas. But some things might have long-term global impacts by voting for the Kremlin’s pick for president this fall.
View: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1802108477889802466?s=46
Why don’t republicans replace Trump? He’s too old, dementia ridden, and is a felon. He’s a gaffe machine. He’s going to be a disaster for the upcoming debate. It’s a joke that Republicans are giving us Trump as a choice.
Two dollar mortgages?! Wow! No wonder why the economy crashed under Trump. How’s a bank supposed to turn a profit with $2 dollar mortgages?
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Dr Ronny Johnson? Dementia! He’s too old! Why don’t republicans replace Trump?
View: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1802107735179243826?s=46
View: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1802104631100670421?s=46
View: https://x.com/rothschildmd/status/1802106643674800589?s=46
Trying to desensitize us to what’s going to be a human rights catastrophe?
View: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1802111774503674268?s=46
He already blackmailed him last election cycle. Now he’s going to seek retribution for the first impeachment by cutting off military aid and feeding Ukraine to his buddy Vlad? Keep this in mind come November. I know some here might want a few more pennies to blow on eggs and gas. But some things might have long-term global impacts by voting for the Kremlin’s pick for president this fall.
View: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1802108477889802466?s=46
Why don’t republicans replace Trump? He’s too old, dementia ridden, and is a felon. He’s a gaffe machine. He’s going to be a disaster for the upcoming debate. It’s a joke that Republicans are giving us Trump as a choice.
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The Thriller
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lol wut? Why’s he so obsessed with batteries these days? Sharks I get, they remind him of Stormy. Didn’t they watch some Shark documentary after she spanked his ***? But what’s this obsession about batteries?
Man, I know Biden is old and has a stutter. But this is just incoherent gibberish. If any of your family members sounded like this, the last thing you’d do is put them in charge of anything. You’d be seeking a nursing home or hospice. Instead, the GOP thinks you’re stupid enough to put this rapist and felon into the White House.
View: https://x.com/acyn/status/1802103783817982306?s=46
Man, I know Biden is old and has a stutter. But this is just incoherent gibberish. If any of your family members sounded like this, the last thing you’d do is put them in charge of anything. You’d be seeking a nursing home or hospice. Instead, the GOP thinks you’re stupid enough to put this rapist and felon into the White House.
View: https://x.com/acyn/status/1802103783817982306?s=46
Bucknutz
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This is what you consider “incoherent gibberish”?
You complain about conservatives not coming on here and debating policies and ideas. Trump is doing that in this clip. It’s not hard to follow along. He is ripping the idea of having electric tanks because of weather, distance, weight and size while trying to make a couple of jokes.
I would debate you on this subject right now. I’m not for electric tanks at all, not until there is much more improvement in battery technology. I agree with him on all these factors.
Just because Trump says something, your opinion will be the complete opposite. Your response to this idea that diesel tanks are better than electric tanks is put the person who thinks diesel is better into nursing homes or hospice.
You didn’t even debate the factors he brought up. You could have went with it would reduce the cost (human and moving) of logistics of diesel in war zones. Or could have went with a hybrid solution.
If you want to debate, don’t use MAGA, Trump or any other scary right wing word. Just debate on facts or the context of what the other person is saying.
Al-O-Meter
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Data is simply another word for information. Just because you don’t like particular information or it falsifies your preheld beliefs doesn’t mean it isn’t information.
We are not a democracy. We are a republic and prior to about 15 years ago that wasn't a controversial statement. "I pledge allegiance to the flag ... and to the republic for which it stands..."
I don't disagree that we have elements of democracy but only one branch was truly democratic and the head of another branch is semi-democratic. It is technically correct to refer to our system of government as a democratic republic, but that isn't the same as being a democracy. The reason we are not a democracy is because both the democratically elected branch, and the head of the executive branch, and even the popular will of the people are all subservient to the US Constitution.
An idea can have broad popular support, be drafted into a bill passed by a majority of the people's elected representatives, and confirmed by the elected head of the executive branch only to be struck down as unconstitutional. The parts of our government with elements of democracy are beneath, below, overruled by, less powerful than a structure well shielded from democracy. That makes us a republic by definition.
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Agreed on this clip he brought up a salient topic. But to be fair you ignored the other clips where he does sound like a lunatic. But both parties have the same problem in varying degrees, they are trying to get us to elect a geriatric senior who should be telling his great grandchildren rambling stories. Not using those rambling stories to govern the greatest country in the free world. We are so ****ed.
The Thriller
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I want to point this out because you’ve fooled a few on here to think that you’re not a MAGA trumper but a rational conservative. I don’t see it that way at all. You could prove me wrong. Conservatives actually have principles. A few valid points:
1. Out of all those clips you pick this one out to try and debate. As if those other clips aren’t bad. As if they don’t exist. Whether it’s deporting 10 people while accidentally deporting the one legal person here or letting Ukraine be killed off by Trump’s buddy, Putin. I notice you didn’t address Trump’s sharks and batteries clip or Ronny “Johnson” clip. Why?
2. Something both you and AL do a lot of and it’s dishonest, is remove context. This isn’t the first time Trump has rifted about electric tanks. Having non-tactical hybrid vehicles on base for transportation doesn’t sound like a bad idea. Yet, Trump exaggerates and lies, and makes it sound like our “woke military that loves LGBTs and blacks is now selling out our security for electric battle tanks while other less woke militaries continue to use good old fashioned manly fossil fuel powered tanks. Libs are weak impotent green queers!” There’s valuable MAGA context here that fuels his populism (fascism tbh). He’s not debating the merits of hybrid or electric powered vehicles. He’s using this as yet another point in his culture war. He’s creating a narrative that “MAGA strong people use fossil fuels while the other side uses dumb impotent wimpy unrealistic forms of energy. And I bet they also use vaccines, love gays, use wimpy shower heads, are black, etc.”
3. You don’t have to defend Trump here. There was a time when Republicans believe in climate change and didn’t make it a culture issue (John McCain actually made it a big part of his campaign In 2008). Where have all the conservatives gone? Have they all joined the Democratic coalition or MAGA? Mass deporting millions? Cmon. Criticizing the development of electric and hybrid vehicles to try and fuel the culture war? Stupid but effective at rallying the base. Throw Ukraine to the bear? Reagan is rolling in his grave. And these are merely the more coherent pts. Try and make sense of the sharks and batteries thing. Or Ronny Johnson. Completely indefensible.
Trump's False Claim That U.S. Military Moving to Electric Tanks - FactCheck.org
The military is moving toward the electrification of its vehicle fleets. It's not, as former President Donald Trump falsely claims, going "to make our great Army tanks all-electric."
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US Army’s Electric Tanks on Hold as Battery Technology Develops
The military’s grand vision of an all-electric fleet of tanks is being stymied by a battery sector that’s not even close to delivering the power the Army needs, according to two Pentagon officials.
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The Thriller
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We don’t need to pick out one clip out of… I don’t know how many collectively we’ve posted over the last few days, to defend Trump. Why didn’t he address the deportation clip? Or Ronny Johnson? Dementia anyone? Or the shark and batteries one from a few days back?
We shouldn’t both sides this either. Admittedly, I don’t think you specifically do this. You even said “both parties do this to varying ideas”, which isn’t wrong at all. One side deliberately lies and deceives its viewers to create a completely alt reality, like the recent parachute clip of Biden that was cropped or the entire lying about dominion lawsuit from Fox News. If Biden had said or done any of those clips listed above, we’d have a several week scandal with countless demands for Democrats to replace him. With Trump? We just sorta shrug it off. “Sure we he wants to throw Ukraine to Russia, but watcha gonna do? Sure he wants to deport millions of people and some legal residents, but you know, ya gotta MAGA amiright?”
These are insane ideas. But it makes sense in this alt reality RW media has created. And that’s when he’s actually coherent enough for us to understand. No other candidate would be treated with kid gloves like this. Who would be defending Biden if he sounded like this?
Why don’t conservatives stand up against this? Stand for something. You don’t need to defend MAGA or Trump. Conservatives used to have ideas, expectations, and principles. They don’t have to defend Trump’s nonsensical authoritarian soup. They could call this **** out. I’m guessing that most by now have become Democrats or have sorted/sold themselves out to MAGA.
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Bucknutz
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I want to point this out because you’ve fooled a few on here to think that you’re not a MAGA trumper but a rational conservative. I don’t see it that way at all. And this is yet another example of it. A few valid points:
1. Out of all those clips you pick this one out to try and debate. As if those other clips aren’t bad. As if they don’t exist. Whether it’s deporting 10 people while accidentally deporting the one legal person here or letting Ukraine be killed off by Trump’s buddy, Putin. I notice you didn’t address Trump’s sharks and batteries clip or Ronny “Johnson” clip. Why?
2. Something both you and AL do a lot of and it’s dishonest, is remove context. This isn’t the first time Trump has rifted about electric tanks. Having non-tactical hybrid vehicles on base for transportation doesn’t sound like a bad idea. Yet, Trump exaggerates and lies, and makes it sound like our “woke military that loves LGBTs and blacks is now selling out our security for electric battle tanks while other less woke militaries continue to use good old fashioned manly fossil fuel powered tanks. Libs are weak impotent green queers!” There’s valuable MAGA context here that fuels his populism (fascism tbh). He’s not debating the merits of hybrid or electric powered vehicles. He’s using this as yet another point in his culture war. He’s creating a narrative that “MAGA strong people use fossil fuels while the other side uses dumb impotent wimpy unrealistic forms of energy. And I bet they also use vaccines, love gays, use wimpy shower heads, are black, etc.”
3. You don’t have to defend Trump here. There was a time when Republicans believe in climate change and didn’t make it a culture issue (John McCain actually made it a big part of his campaign In 2008). Where have all the conservatives gone? Have they all joined the Democratic coalition or MAGA?
Trump's False Claim That U.S. Military Moving to Electric Tanks - FactCheck.org
The military is moving toward the electrification of its vehicle fleets. It's not, as former President Donald Trump falsely claims, going "to make our great Army tanks all-electric."
Don’t worry, I’ll bring up the rest after I get to my destination. Costa Vida before DIA. On a college recruiting trip for my daughter.
Al-O-Meter
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Hope your trip goes well, but Costa Vida?
Not too far from there is the greatest restaurant in the world.
Bucknutz
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Daughters request. We don’t have Costa or Cafe Rio in Florida, so when we go west it’s a mandatory stop for her. I look for the local BBQ, Seafood or Steakhouse depending on the location.
We hit up Montana on this trip, so I have officially visited all 50 States. Just need see the territories now.
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Do you think that the military will intentionally build tanks that don't work? If so, why do you think they would/will do that?
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Sardines
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Because they so woke
Give us the manly man Russian military. They so manly that they just rush into battle out from any kind of cover and get annihilated because if they don't their own leadership shoots them.
Bucknutz
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When did I say that the military would make tanks that don’t work?
In a war zone, with the technology we have now, would you rather have diesel or electric tanks?
How less efficient is the electric tank in sub temperatures compared to diesel tanks?
In an emergency, both need to refuel or recharge, which one is quicker?
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Al-O-Meter
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The US military has previously become enamored with supposed advancements and gone all in only to realize afterwards it was a bad idea. One example is the gun that could shoot either 152mm rounds or Shillelagh missiles. They designed both the M551 Sheridan and the M60A2 Main Battle Tank around that gun. The problem is in using the gun to fire the missile fouled the barrel so the 152mm rounds couldn't be fired, and firing the 152mm rounds cracked the barrel making the vehicle useless. The military actually phased out the M60A2 in 1976 to go back to the older M60A1 until 1980 when the M1 Abrahams took over.
The Thriller
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Ding ding ding!
And that’s the narrative, the soothing elixir that Trump is selling and judging by totally not MAGA Buck’s response, is clearly buying. Our “woke” military is sacrificing America’s safety to appease their “woke” masters. Do you really want to be in a war zone with electric tanks? Facts be damned that they aren’t being used in war zones.
Therefore, you need to vote for Trump, a strongman, to combat the woke. It is only by empowering a strongman that we can rid ourselves of woke. And let’s be clear what woke is, it’s “anything MAGA doesn’t like” in general and specifically it’s, “gay, trans, and black people” specifically.
So our weak climate change obsessed gay military is sacrificing white Christian true Americans on the altar of wokeness and we need to empower a strong man or else straight white Christian MAGA America is dead. It’s white grievance that Trump is selling and that many here are buying. And that’s when Trump is coherent. Most of the time his followers just understand that he’s hating the same people they hate. And that’s good enough to get their emotions charged.
IMHO, both Christians and conservatives should reject this. But that might mean 1) rejecting Trump and the GOP. Either to hurt their political chances so they change or forming another political party. Most won’t do this because they like what Trump offers, vengeance against one’s perceived enemies (usually religious and political). And if it’s not based on grievance, they find a way to get to Trump, judges, tax cuts, charter schools, etc. Most won’t admit that liberals were right about Trump all along. 2) reimagining a more inclusive and forward thinking conservative vision for the country. That’s really hard. Especially since all the media and money is bent on empowering white (evangelical) Christian grievance.
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The Thriller
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Electric tanks aren’t in war zones. Someone don’t read the link I sent but they are buying the nonsense Trump spouted. Why would the military develop such ineffective tanks @Bucknutz? You have yet to answer this simple question that @fishonjazz asked.
Bucknutz
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Again no one said they are in a war zone. It’s a hypothetical question asking if they were which one would you choose?
Do I need to say “hypothetically” for you to understand what I’m writing? You have issues with this.
For example:
With your reading comprehension abilities, please show me where Trump says to stick a flashlight up your *** or drink bleach?
For once answer this. You do exactly what Trump does by taking someone's words and change it to shame, put down or fake outrage.
So when Trump does this you call it “incoherent gibberish”. Should we do this to you? Or just call hospice for you?