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Which is all I was getting out in pointing out the rise of conspiracism, alternate facts, and the irrational interpretation of current events(e.g. Pizzagate for one example) is concerned.
Okay, but you skipped right over the part about showing that there is a rise of conspiracism at all. You blurt it out and show zero evidence that there is any more conspiracism today than 50 years ago with the moon landings, death of Elvis, and the JFK assassination. If you are alleging that there is more consipricism today then show your work on that point before you set about constructing explanations for a phenomenon that may not exist outside your own imagination.
 
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Show me where "Courts already decided that january 6th was an insurrection." I think you made that up.
Those are exactly the crimes they've been convicting people on, crimes tied to sedition and insurrection. But you will argue semantics I'm sure.
 
Those are exactly the crimes they've been convicting people on, crimes tied to sedition and insurrection. But you will argue semantics I'm sure.
No. That is wrong. What I will argue is facts. Here is a hint to the echo chamber dwellers who believe what you said:

"Of the more than 725 people arrested and charged in connection with the January 6th incident, none have been charged with “rebellion or insurrection” under 18 U.S. Code § 2383."


I knew Fish wouldn't be able to back up what he was saying because his claim is false even if the majority of people think it is true.
 
No. That is wrong. What I will argue is facts. Here is a hint to the echo chamber dwellers who believe what you said:



I knew Fish wouldn't be able to back up what he was saying because his claim is false even if the majority of people think it is true.
How do they know all of the sealed charges? And yeah, you like your semantics. I'm sure sedition charges were levied because they were inciting an insurrection at like Denny's or something. I called it, you delivered it. Nice!
 
How do they know all of the sealed charges? And yeah, you like your semantics. I'm sure sedition charges were levied because they were inciting an insurrection at like Denny's or something. I called it, you delivered it. Nice!

Yep. I have never been charged with mooning despite mooning someone while a cop saw so mooning isnt against the law! Ludeness is though and i was charged for that.

definition of sedition: Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward rebellion against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent toward, or INSURRECTION against, established authority.

The courts wouldnt have charged and convicted dudes of sedition if no insurrection happened. But they did charge and convict dudes of sedition because an insurrection did happen.


I would still love to see AL explain his slippery slope of how if this were invoked on trump then all hell would break loose. This constitutional punishment being discussed would only happen when a january 6th happens. I think january 6th occurences are pretty rare. About as rare as a presidential candate with the behavior and character of donald trump really.
 
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Yep. I have never been charged with mooning despite mooning someone while a cop saw so mooning isnt against the law! Ludeness is though and i was charged for that.
Insurrection is against the law. It is 18 U.S. Code § 2383. You said correctly in reference to the BLM riots that courts had a definition for what was insurrection, and again correctly the courts had not decided the BLM riots were an insurrection. The courts have also not decided January 6th was an insurrection.

The courts wouldnt have charged and convicted dudes of sedition if no insurrection happened. But they did charge and convict dudes of sedition because an insurrection did happen.
If you want to see what the slippery slope looks like, it looks like you. First you started with a claim that Trump should get no due process because the Constitutional clause regarding insurrection was self executing, to then falsely claiming insurrection had already been decided by the court, to now holding to the candidate you don't like shouldn't be allowed on a ballot because people who were not the candidate were convicted of crimes that were not the crime cited in the Constitutional clause. You aren't even playing 6-degrees of Kevin Bacon because your pieces don't connect at all.

There is a candidate you don't like and you are working backwards to erase him from the ballot using any means. If you had the governmental power to do as you've indicated using what is apparent to everyone as clearly not applicable and without precedent, do you really think there is no counterpart to you on the politically opposite side of the divide who may someday be in the position to use your methods to remove candidates they don't like? Do you really think that only operators sharing your political beliefs would play hardball like that?
 
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Insurrection is against the law. It is 18 U.S. Code § 2383. You said correctly in reference to the BLM riots that courts had a definition for what was insurrection, and again correctly the courts had not decided the BLM riots were an insurrection. The courts have also not decided January 6th was an insurrection.

If you want to see what the slippery slope looks like, it looks like you. First you started with a claim that Trump should get no due process because the Constitutional clause regarding insurrection was self executing, to then falsely claiming insurrection had already been decided by the court, to now holding to the candidate you don't like shouldn't be allowed on a ballot because people who were not the candidate were convicted of crimes that were not the crime cited in the Constitutional clause. You aren't even playing 6-degrees of Kevin Bacon because your pieces don't connect at all.

There is a candidate you don't like and you are working backwards to erase him from the ballot using any means. If you had the governmental power to do as you've indicated using what is apparent to everyone as clearly not applicable and without precedent, do you really think there is no counterpart to you on the politically opposite side of the divide who may someday be in the position to use your methods to remove candidates they don't like? Do you really think that only operators sharing your political beliefs would play hardball like that?
So give me an example. You brought up the blm riots. Find me a politician who watched rioters committing crimes while the rioters were wearing their hats, shirts, waving their flags, did nothing to stop the rioters, contributed to the crimes, said they would pardon the rioters for the crimes, while also being the reason the crimes were being committed in the first place. If you can find a politician that fits that description then I 100% think their name should never be on a presidential ballot. Democrat. Republican. Independent. Doesn't matter to me. You do all that and you shouldn't be president. You apparently are cool with a politician causing crimes to occur, being cool with the crimes occurring, participating in the crimes occurring, and wanting to pardon the criminals of the crimes. You are silly in that way.

Trump is unique. He is different. He is an exception. He shouldn't be allowed to run for president. The constitution has a part included that the conservative lawyers, who are experts on constitutional law, believe can and should be used to stop trump from ever having a chance to be president again. Give me an example of another politician who has behaved similar to president trump where this piece of the constitution would be used against them. Explain why you think this is simply "a candidate someone doesn't like." Do you think democrats have liked all the other candidates prior to trump (and current ones)? I dont. Yet I have never heard of this proposal prior. And again, the proposal didn't even come from "the deep state" or democrats or whatever.


If someday there is a counterpart to me on the politically opposite side of the divide who is someday in the position to use that constitutional method (is isn't my method lol) to remove a candidate who did what trump did then I think that would be awesome. I wouldn't be upset in the slightest. Even if that candidate was someone I once thought was fantastic. Once that candidate does what trump did and results in what resulted then I no longer think they are fantastic and no longer want them anywhere near the whitehouse. Its so weird that you or anyone else want trump to be eligible after what he did.
 
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You apparently are cool with a politician causing crimes to occur, being cool with the crimes occurring, participating in the crimes occurring, and wanting to pardon the criminals of the crimes.
What I believe is that the law should be applied equally. Child murderers get their day in court. Rapists get their day in court. Donald Trump gets his day in court. That is not the same thing as being cool with child murder, rape, or Donald Trump.

Trump is unique. He is different. He is an exception.
If you can make exceptions to empower the government into not needing to follow laws when it comes to bad people then you no longer have laws. Anyone can be labeled as bad.
 
What I believe is that the law should be applied equally. Child murderers get their day in court. Rapists get their day in court. Donald Trump gets his day in court. That is not the same thing as being cool with child murder, rape, or Donald Trump.

If you can make exceptions to empower the government into not needing to follow laws when it comes to bad people then you no longer have laws. Anyone can be labeled as bad.
According to these conservative lawyers It's constitutionally required of us to keep his name off the ballot. Take it up with the founding fathers I guess.

I will continue to wait for your example of this being applied to someone else and how I might have a problem with it.
 
According to these conservative lawyers. It's constitutionally required of us to keep his name off the ballot. Take it up with the founding fathers I guess.
The founding fathers didn't believe this either which is why this clause has never been used this way despite far worse happening throughout American history. You found two yahoos who offered up a specious legal theory. I'm not worried about it.
 
The founding fathers didn't believe this either which is why this clause has never been used this way despite far worse happening throughout American history. You found two yahoos who offered up a specious legal theory. I'm not worried about it.
According to your post you admit the clause does exist. It never being used this way prior is irrevelant as trump and january 6th hadn't happened before. Again, take it up with the founding fathers/constitution.

I will continue to wait for your example of this being applied to someone else and how I might have a problem with it.
 
According to your post you admit the clause does exist.
Yes, there is a clause in the US Constitution that would prevent those who participated in an insurrection from holding office. That part is real. It is the imaginary extension where it also strips due process rights, the presumption of innocence, or any involvement of the courts this is wackadoodle. Sorry to be the one to have to break it to you but don't hold your breath as that isn't how the law actually works. Trump will get his day in court.
 
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