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Al-O-Meter said:
Crazy statistic: 14% of all Flagrant Fouls committed throughout the entire WNBA this season have been committed by Chicago Sky players against Caitlyn Clark.

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Chicago is Committing Flagrant Fouls Against Caitlin Clark At a Sky High Rate

Indiana Fever rookie icon Caitlin Clark was on the receiving end of two flagrant fouls from the Chicago Sky on Friday. One of these flagrant fouls came in the
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Many of them look like they are straight up trying to injure her.


View: https://x.com/WNBARookieWatch/status/1829693450645590508
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There's some hyper competitiveness at the very least with Clark and Angle Reese. If Clark wasn't in the same draft class then Reese would be the getting all of the attention. According to this list Reese just put up the 10th best rookie campaign in WNBA history, but might not get a single ROY vote because of Clark.

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Ranking the 10 best rookie seasons in WNBA history

Caitlin Clark and now-sidelined Angel Reese have had historic rookie seasons. But do they rank among the best all time in the WNBA?
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Al-O-Meter said:
Is Caitlin Clark part of the culture war?

The culture war is actually low on the things that have my attention. It is only an outsized portion of what I post due to it being a main topic of interest to the board. Very few seem to want to talk youth club sports, the FAA delaying SpaceX's Starship to late November, the latest developments in AI, etc. I can't say the WNBA is high on my list either, but I do admire standout athletes and I think Caitlin Clark qualifies. I also find it bizarre that she is a singular force driving up the interest level, which raises all boats, and so many competitors seem to loathe her even though the broad rise in interest will put money in their pockets. Trying to take her out plays to me as biting the hand that feeds.
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Yeah, you are a moron. She's a great player and players are trying to rough her up. That's completely normal. Are opponents supposed to let her win and not play hard against her just because of her popularity? You're a complete clown show, and you are doing it here too. Surprise.

And you are on a sports forum for a basketball team, dont participate in that discussion at all, and solely focus on culture war politics as a brain rotted republican. If CC was a black player instead of a white one, you wouldnt give two ***** about any of this.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
I can't say the WNBA is high on my list either, but I do admire standout athletes and I think Caitlin Clark qualifies. I also find it bizarre that she is a singular force driving up the interest level, which raises all boats, and so many competitors seem to loathe her even though the broad rise in interest will put money in their pockets. Trying to take her out plays to me as biting the hand that feeds.
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I do think the human aspect of this is interesting. Putting myself in the shoe of an already established WNBA player I can imagine how difficult it would be to have this new person come in and get all of the attention. On the other hand they have to recognize how good she is for the sport in general. My guess is when their pay checks start increasing significantly they won't be as upset.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah, you are a moron. She's a great player and players are trying to rough her up. That's completely normal. Are opponents supposed to let her win and not play hard against her just because of her popularity? You're a complete clown show, and you are doing it here too. Surprise.
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I'm probably biased as a Fever fan, but it's gone a notch above just competitiveness. It feels pretty clear that there is some jealousy/pettiness going on.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I'm probably biased as a Fever fan, but it's gone a notch above just competitiveness. It feels pretty clear that there is some jealousy/pettiness going on.
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Sure, jealousy, but the idea that they should not play her hard because she makes them more money? It's a ludicrous idea.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
How do you not get that from "biting the hand that feeds"?
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There is a line between a hard foul and an excessively hard foul that is more likely to cause injury, and that line is where flagrant fouls are called. I took his comment to mean that players should not, in their best interest, commit flagrant fouls on Clark. I suppose he might have meant hard fouls in general, but since he was quoting a statistic about flagrant fouls, that's what I assumed he meant.

I kind of hate discussing an other person's intentions, so I apologize for bringing it up, you very well could be right about him on this.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I kind of hate discussing an other person's intentions, so I apologize for bringing it up, you very well could be right about him on this.
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He's not. I'm referring to injuring her. If Caitlin Clark is not on the floor then less people will watch, and there will be less revenue with which to pay salaries.

Also, you are not imagining the increased viciousness toward Caitlin Clark. So far this year, Caitlin Clark has been on the receiving end of 5 flagrant fouls. Only 3 players in the entire WNBA have been on the receiving end of more than 1 this season. This is not normal. The flagrant foul data from last year for the whole season among those being on the receiving end more than once is as follows:

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Last year, Satou Sabally (Player ID 1340) was on the receiving end of 4 flagrant fouls. There were four others who were on the receiving end of 3 flagrant fouls, and nine on the receiving end of two flagrants. That is what a reasonable distribution looks like. There were a total of 65 flagrant fouls in the 2023 WNBA season, which means the most targeted player, Satou Sabally, accounted for just over , 6%. At one point this season, Caitlin Clark was on the receiving end of over 17% of all flagrant fouls. I can pull the data for any year going back to 1997 and none will look like this year.
 
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SoberasHotRod said:
There is a line between a hard foul and an excessively hard foul that is more likely to cause injury, and that line is where flagrant fouls are called. I took his comment to mean that players should not, in their best interest, commit flagrant fouls on Clark. I suppose he might have meant hard fouls in general, but since he was quoting a statistic about flagrant fouls, that's what I assumed he meant.

I kind of hate discussing an other person's intentions, so I apologize for bringing it up, you very well could be right about him on this.
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It's Al-O-Meter......
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
She's a great player and players are trying to rough her up. That's completely normal.
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Show your work. Show us all that such a disproportionate level of being targeted by flagrant fouls in any other season of the WNBA, or the NBA, at the college level, or even at the High School level is "completely normal".
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Show your work. Show us all that such a disproportionate level of being targeted by flagrant fouls in any other season of the WNBA, or the NBA, at the college level, or even at the High School level is "completely normal".
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Nah, because it's pointless. Leagues call flagrants differently and differently throughout eras. A number of the flagrants called have been players just running into Clark. There's an uptick in aggression against Clark, but there is also an uptick in the league trying to protect her by making these calls. I know at least two of them have been on 3 pointers from closeouts, because she is a lethal shooter, not because people were trying to hurt her.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
there is also an uptick in the league trying to protect her by making these calls.
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That sounds plausible but it doesn't fit comfortably with the data. It is the calls made in the beginning of games that set the tone for the game. I'd think that if the WNBA were trying to establish a protected status for their star player, the flagrants would be called early, but that isn't what we see. 4 of the 5 flagrants that were targeting Caitlin were in the second half. The lone first half flagrant was in the second quarter. There have been zero flagrant calls in the beginning of a game where Caitlin Clark was targeted.

The timing is a better fit for opponents being frustrated and taking their frustrations out on Caitlin Clark in a way that could result in injury.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
That sounds plausible but it doesn't fit comfortably with the data. It is the calls made in the beginning of games that set the tone for the game. I'd think that if the WNBA were trying to establish a protected status for their star player, the flagrants would be called early, but that isn't what we see. 4 of the 5 flagrants that were targeting Caitlin were in the second half. The lone first half flagrant was in the second quarter. There have been zero flagrant calls in the beginning of a game where Caitlin Clark was targeted.

The timing is a better fit for opponents being frustrated and taking their frustrations out on Caitlin Clark in a way that could result in injury.
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Any foul can result in injury. There has only been a single really hard foul on Clark, and it was probably one of the cleaner ones, the attempted block that ended up getting all face. A lot of the fouls are just players running into her hard.
 
If you thought Caitlin Clark was only relevant because Sheryl Swoops said her name, you don’t get to have any opinion of any kind about her. Completely unserious.

CC is awesome….dragging her into culture war **** every way possible is embarrassing.
 
KqWIN said:
If you thought Caitlin Clark was only relevant because Sheryl Swoops said her name, you don’t get to have any opinion of any kind about her. Completely unserious.

CC is awesome….dragging her into culture war **** every way possible is embarrassing.
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Lmao, I forgot this thread started with Al saying CC was relevant because of SS. Now he's a huge CC fan....
 
KqWIN said:
If you thought Caitlin Clark was only relevant because Sheryl Swoops said her name, you don’t get to have any opinion of any kind about her.
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You are saying Sheryl Swoopes doesn't get to have any opinion of any kind about Caitlin Clark? It was Sheryl Swoopes' opinion I presented to this thread. It can't be because you don't think Sheryl Swoopes knows basketball. Is it because she's black?
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Now he's a huge CC fan....
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I never said I was a huge CC fan. I openly admitted the WNBA as a whole isn't high on my list of interests. I admit that CC is an incredible athlete, but what I like is data. I am a data engineer professionally. When I came across an SI article detailing how excessively CC was being targeted by flagrant fouls, I pulled the data to see if it was hype or real. It is real. She is being targeted excessively. I presented that information for the purposes of discussion.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Lmao, I forgot this thread started with Al saying CC was relevant because of SS. Now he's a huge CC fan....
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I was reminded of that **** when I saw the first page of this thread lol. Guy literally tried to say that CC’s popularity is only because Swoops said her name and tried to diminish her success because Livy Dunne was more popular on instagram (she’s not anymore btw). Now the bot is a big fan and trying to twist that another way. Get out of of here!

I think CC’s reception/treatment from the other players is a real conversation….but conservative talking point bots have no place in that conversation.
 
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