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2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

Elizah Huge said:
If Hardy doesn’t want to play Sexton we should consider moving him.
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Yep.
His minutes are down from last season despite his efficiency being up (which is impressive considering how efficient he was last year).

His assist to turnover ratio is bad this season but he is shooting 56.3% from the field and 40% from three with an efg of 59.4%. He is getting to the line more as well and rebounding better too.

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I completely understand why Hardy doesn't like Sexton and why people may doubt him. I would probably consider myself a doubter myself....but it brings his preference for Key/Clarkson into question. It's not like the guys he prefers are the smartest, hardest working players on the court.
 
KqWIN said:
I completely understand why Hardy doesn't like Sexton and why people may doubt him. I would probably consider myself a doubter myself....but it brings his preference for Key/Clarkson into question. It's not like the guys he prefers are the smartest, hardest working players on the court.
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That’s the biggest thing and always has been. Why so hard on Sexton and lenient on guys who play worse?
 
Elizah Huge said:
That’s the biggest thing and always has been. Why so hard on Sexton and lenient on guys who play worse?
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And all these players basically have the same warts. If you were to tell me what's wrong with them as players, you'd say the same thing. They're all ballhogs, chuckers, can't play defense, etc. Fair criticisms of Sexton, but also fair criticisms of the other options. Truthfully, the only thing that I can come up with that separates Sexton from Key/Clarkson is that he's actually efficient.

If the Jazz really don't believe in him, just move on. Current situation benefits no one.
 
KqWIN said:
And all these players basically have the same warts. If you were to tell me what's wrong with them as players, you'd say the same thing. They're all ballhogs, chuckers, can't play defense, etc. Fair criticisms of Sexton, but also fair criticisms of the other options. Truthfully, the only thing that I can come up with that separates Sexton from Key/Clarkson is that he's actually efficient.

If the Jazz really don't believe in him, just move on. Current situation benefits no one.
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Being efficient is a big difference in my eyes but in the end they do all have the same issues.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I have a dual mind when it comes to this. I sincerely think Hardy is in on the tank and may have some level of buy in. I'm less indignant about the mistreatment of Collin Sexton this year since I don't want us to win. If the Keyonte adventure fails I wonder if Collin is the backup plan. He's not a pg but as a lead creator he is so far ahead of Key right now.
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I mean, they might call it “seeing what we’ve got and developing the young guys” but from John Collins to Will Hardy, they’re in on the tank. Lauri knew before signing what the plan was.

These guys are smart and they know basketball. It’s their industry. They know what the general strategy is for a small market team to build a contender.

We’re still in the first chapters of the Hardy era. This board is going to be ****ing fun in 2029.
 
KqWIN said:
So about that sexton situation. I guess we bench him bc it’s better for Key? Why is he here then if he can’t play with golden boy?

I seriously can’t see how this situation benefits either party.
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Playing two tiny guards isn't ideal and he's the only other guard we have that you can trust to be the primary ball handler with the second unit

I'd imagine that we'll see countless lineups this season just to see if we can find anything that works well or sticks
 
KqWIN said:
So about that sexton situation. I guess we bench him bc it’s better for Key? Why is he here then if he can’t play with golden boy?

I seriously can’t see how this situation benefits either party.
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They benched him because he makes the most mental mistakes on the team on both ends.
 
From Andy Larsen's Triple Team about Colin getting benched:

“Yeah, we’re trying to make the two groups function a little bit better, and we can do that without impacting minutes too much, impacting opportunity too much. You know, I believe in Collin. Collin knows that this has nothing to do with his play. It’s about what makes the two groups function the best. I think early in the game, the first group showed some pretty decent cohesion offensively. I think I have some work to do to help Collin with that second group, if it’s something we continue to do,” Hardy said.
 
Sexton started off horribly last season, but turned around. I'm sure he's capable of doing the same thing. But for me, it's not really about whether Hardy is right or wrong about benching him and not believing in him. It's pretty obvious he feels that way, so now we have to manage that situation. Let me ask a few questions related to how we're handling Sexton:

Are we developing him?
Is he increasing his trade value?
Will we sign him to a longer deal?
Is he helping the tank?

For me, the answer to all those questions is "NO". And in that case, he should have already been traded. Whether you think he's a KIA or Ferrari, he's just deteriorating on this team.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
From Andy Larsen's Triple Team about Colin getting benched:

“Yeah, we’re trying to make the two groups function a little bit better, and we can do that without impacting minutes too much, impacting opportunity too much. You know, I believe in Collin. Collin knows that this has nothing to do with his play. It’s about what makes the two groups function the best. I think early in the game, the first group showed some pretty decent cohesion offensively. I think I have some work to do to help Collin with that second group, if it’s something we continue to do,” Hardy said.
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Lol He will lose his starting job if he plays well with the bench unit.
 
KqWIN said:
Sexton started off horribly last season, but turned around. I'm sure he's capable of doing the same thing. But for me, it's not really about whether Hardy is right or wrong about benching him and not believing in him. It's pretty obvious he feels that way, so now we have to manage that situation. Let me ask a few questions related to how we're handling Sexton:

Are we developing him?
Is he increasing his trade value?
Will we sign him to a longer deal?
Is he helping the tank?

For me, the answer to all those questions is "NO". And in that case, he should have already been traded. Whether you think he's a KIA or Ferrari, he's just deteriorating on this team.
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I'm sure they want to trade him.
 
KqWIN said:
Sexton started off horribly last season, but turned around. I'm sure he's capable of doing the same thing. But for me, it's not really about whether Hardy is right or wrong about benching him and not believing in him. It's pretty obvious he feels that way, so now we have to manage that situation. Let me ask a few questions related to how we're handling Sexton:

Are we developing him?
Is he increasing his trade value?
Will we sign him to a longer deal?
Is he helping the tank?

For me, the answer to all those questions is "NO". And in that case, he should have already been traded. Whether you think he's a KIA or Ferrari, he's just deteriorating on this team.
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Questions 2 and 3 have a logical conflict if you look at them from the perspective of FO viewing Sexton as "6th man".

If Sexton's market value goes down as a result of his role being reduced (to 6th man), then doesnt that drop his expected future salary and make it more likely that we re-sign him?

So if they view Collin as 6th man and want him long term on a deal not too rich for a 6th man, then they cant give him the keys, can they?
 
HermanG said:
Questions 2 and 3 have a logical conflict if you look at them from the perspective of FO viewing Sexton as "6th man".

If Sexton's market value goes down as a result of his role being reduced (to 6th man), then doesnt that drop his expected future salary and make it more likely that we re-sign him?

So if they view Collin as 6th man and want him long term on a deal not too rich for a 6th man, then they cant give him the keys, can they?
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It is true that more they tank him, the less his next contract will be. I just don't see the need for a 6th man right now. We cleansed pretty much every vet (besides Lauri and the negative contracts) and I like that approach. If they're just going to bench Sexton, he's like Beasley, Vando, KO, Simone ect. Non critical players who are better served on a team not tanking.

Being able to re-sign a player you already don't like much for cheaper doesn't seem like a great way to manage things. Collin has a say in this as well. He's been a good soldier, but it's a really bad situation for him as well. If I were his agent, I'd be telling him to go elsewhere. I'm not sure either party wants to continue the relationship even at a lower number.
 
KqWIN said:
It is true that more they tank him, the less his next contract will be. I just don't see the need for a 6th man right now. We cleansed pretty much every vet (besides Lauri and the negative contracts) and I like that approach. If they're just going to bench Sexton, he's like Beasley, Vando, KO, Simone ect. Non critical players who are better served on a team not tanking.

Being able to re-sign a player you already don't like much for cheaper doesn't seem like a great way to manage things. Collin has a say in this as well. He's been a good soldier, but it's a really bad situation for him as well. If I were his agent, I'd be telling him to go elsewhere. I'm not sure either party wants to continue the relationship even at a lower number.
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This. Collin has plenty of say in where he re-signs. This was one of my thoughts that will be on the podcast tonight.
 
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