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This thread is only proving to me that there’s no such thing as a covid vax denier. You’re either all in or all out. Just like with Trump supporters. They may have at first not liked Jan 6. But in order to remain part of the tribe, they had to indulge in the conspiracies and eventually succumb to calling Biden an illegitimate president and claiming that Jan 6ers were actually heroes. Same applies to the anti vax crowd. They may have originally had questions about the Covid vaccines. But eventually they all succumb to the nonsense to tribal loyalty, and become full anti vax nutjobs.

Bring back polio! Measles! Vaccines cause autism!
 
I also saw something recently saying that there are more flu cases this winter than in a long long time.
I’m sure it has nothing to do with some of the biggest influencers online becoming vax deniers, the political party in power going full anti vax, and the president’s pick to head health and medicine being a vax denier (and steroid junkie). I blame librarians and DEI.

Like where are we even headed? The whole point of everyone getting vaccinated is so we don’t have to worry about getting sick or as sick from these horrible diseases. How many humans in history would’ve loved to have had access to medicines that could prevent sickness and death? Yet, we look at these vaccines and say, “nah, Gimmie the flu, measles, covid, or (insert whatever disease).” It’s unreal.

Literally every single case of the measles in Texas could’ve been prevented. What is our society doing?
 
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and you realize that younger people getting vaccinated didn't stop them getting Covid ?? if anything there's a lot of studies like this one showing the more doses they've had the more likely they are to have it, whatever the factors in such occurances happening. And however small the % there are risks of serious adverse reactions that i don't believe those people should be expected to risk on anyone else's behalf. Behavioural attitudes such as hygeine, and keeping distance particularly while contagious are very reasonable to demand from those people but i see it as immoral to expect somebody else to take a relatively new medication that isn't particularly effective nor fully safe on somebody else's behalf

And seriously giving it to babies, infants, toddlers is insane

Dude pre-vaccine I saw a lot of very young, very sick people with COVID, frankly as a fat, asthmatic, smoker I couldn't get hold of the vaccine quick enough, I figured the disease would devour me like a Sunday lamb roast. (how ****ing good is a Sunday lamb roast?) I've had COVID twice, (probably 3 times) and its been nothing more than a mild head cold for me. No rhyme and reason to this ****.

Some studies show a negative efficacy, so if you had the jab you statistically had more chance of getting Covid and particularly the more boosters you had the more times you got it. Because of more risky behavioural patterns ? Maybe As you said there's no way of knowing because it wasn't tested thoroughly enough. Without dealing in absolutes or at least high likelihoods i can't see it being a reasonable expectation to ask. I see it as much more like the flu vaccine, it'll most likely help those more vulnerable and should be distributed accordingly. People who contract the flu also behave inappropriately and can recklessly spread it around to the more vulnerable if they are careless and people die from that as well.

One of the good things i've found from the Covid experience is that it's now far more acceptable to demand accountability from people who are sick to not run around coughing all over others

One of my absolute pet peeves, mother****ers getting around the office coughing sneezing, oozing droplets of snot everywhere, too cheap to use their ****ing sick leave. One of the guys i used to work with was notorious for it, I would have sent the bastard home but my old employers would have taken him to HR for it.
 
Good thing we don’t have any vaccine skeptics influencing our understanding of vaccines.


More than 6 million Americans are diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, a number expected to climb as the population ages. Scientists continue searching for factors that influence the disease’s development, hoping to uncover new ways to reduce risk and improve prevention strategies.

A groundbreaking study from the McGovern Medical School at UTHealth Houston has revealed a potentially significant link between adult vaccinations and a reduced risk of developing Alzheimer's disease. The research sheds new light on how certain vaccines may contribute to brain health and longevity.

The findings were recently published online in the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease. The study was led by Kristofer Harris, a program manager in the Department of Neurology at UTHealth Houston; Yaobin Ling, a graduate research assistant with the McWilliams School of Biomedical Informatics; and Avram Bukhbinder, MD, a distinguished alumnus of the medical school.

Paul E. Schulz, MD, the Rick McCord Professor in Neurology at McGovern Medical School, served as the senior author. Schulz has been at the forefront of Alzheimer's research, particularly in exploring the connections between immunization and cognitive health.

This new research follows closely on the heels of another key study by Schulz’s team. Just a year ago, they reported that individuals who had received at least one flu vaccine experienced a 40% lower risk of developing Alzheimer’s compared to those who had never been vaccinated.

The study adds to a growing body of evidence suggesting that vaccinations may play a protective role against neurodegenerative diseases. While the exact mechanisms remain under investigation, researchers speculate that vaccines could help by reducing systemic inflammation or preventing infections that may accelerate cognitive decline.
 
Good thing we don’t have any vaccine skeptics influencing our understanding of vaccines.


More than 6 million Americans are diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, a number expected to climb as the population ages. Scientists continue searching for factors that influence the disease’s development, hoping to uncover new ways to reduce risk and improve prevention strategies.

A groundbreaking study from the McGovern Medical School at UTHealth Houston has revealed a potentially significant link between adult vaccinations and a reduced risk of developing Alzheimer's disease. The research sheds new light on how certain vaccines may contribute to brain health and longevity.

The findings were recently published online in the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease. The study was led by Kristofer Harris, a program manager in the Department of Neurology at UTHealth Houston; Yaobin Ling, a graduate research assistant with the McWilliams School of Biomedical Informatics; and Avram Bukhbinder, MD, a distinguished alumnus of the medical school.

Paul E. Schulz, MD, the Rick McCord Professor in Neurology at McGovern Medical School, served as the senior author. Schulz has been at the forefront of Alzheimer's research, particularly in exploring the connections between immunization and cognitive health.

This new research follows closely on the heels of another key study by Schulz’s team. Just a year ago, they reported that individuals who had received at least one flu vaccine experienced a 40% lower risk of developing Alzheimer’s compared to those who had never been vaccinated.

The study adds to a growing body of evidence suggesting that vaccinations may play a protective role against neurodegenerative diseases. While the exact mechanisms remain under investigation, researchers speculate that vaccines could help by reducing systemic inflammation or preventing infections that may accelerate cognitive decline.
Sweet! I get the flu vaccine every year and it helps to keep me from getting the flu but I had no idea that it would help to keep me from getting alzheimers and suffering from mental decline. Nice bonus benefit.
 
It’s weird as **** to me that many Americans think getting horribly sick with easily preventable diseases is fine. I’d rather just get vaccinated, have a sore arm for a day or two, and not have to worry about getting horribly sick. Bonus is that the vaccine might help prevent other problems and diseases too.

Most humans who have lived on this planet would love to have the medicine we have today. But so many here are bored with life. Are finding community and entertainment through kooks. And are making this their life identity. It’s weird
 


 
Justifiable criticism of the new paper….


A group of researchers last week released a small, preliminary paper theorizing that Covid-19 vaccines may be linked in rare cases to a constellation of lingering symptoms not dissimilar to those associated with long Covid.

They intended for their work to be the subject of academic discussion and to spur further study of what they dubbed “post-vaccination syndrome.” Instead, it has exploded online — and become a parable for the ways in which the internet is being used to weaponize basic vaccine research vital to advancing scientific knowledge about the safe use of these key products.

The study was released last Tuesday on medRxiv, a so-called preprint server where unpublished studies can be shared before they go through peer review, the process by which other scientists kick the tires, effectively, to help journals decide whether or not submitted research deserves to be published. The senior authors of the paper, immunologist Akiko Iwasaki and cardiologist Harlan Krumholz, both serious scientists, were clear in the press release they issued and interviews with STAT that these are preliminary findings that need much more study……

……One researcher, whose university — like a number right now — has told its academics to stay out of media coverage of political events, expressed exasperation at the scientists behind the study, asking: “Why on earth would you do this now if this is preliminary?” Post-vaccination syndrome “is a term that RFK will love,” this individual said.

The fact that the broadness of the term could be read to encompass vaccines other than Covid shots, even though the paper only investigated the role Covid shots might be playing in the illness it describes, was also seen by some as a concern.

“The term is a problem, it’s a real problem, especially at this political moment,” said Gaffney, who believes the study has multiple shortcomings. “We’re at a moment right now where the U.S. government is undercutting people’s trust in science and vaccinations probably like never before in history. And to coin this novel syndrome without even proving that it’s caused by the vaccine is very worrisome to me.”
 

So we don’t like vaccines but won’t support alternatives? Again, the “pro life” party demonstrates that it doesn’t give a **** about life.

Multiple vaccine projects have been paused by the Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Kennedy paused a multimillion-dollar projectto create a new Covid-19 vaccine in pill form on Tuesday, and the Food and Drug Administration canceled an advisory committee meeting on updating next season’s flu vaccine, an advisory committee said Wednesday.

The Covid project was a $460 million contract with Vaxart to develop a new Covid vaccine in pill form, with 10,000 people scheduled to begin clinical trials on Monday. Of that, $240 million was reportedly already authorized for the preliminary study.
 
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