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John Stockton has sharp criticism of Jazz

It's crazy the amount of injuries Stockton should've sat out for but didn't.

Had he and Malone took a season off, and the Jazz tanked they would've likely found a star that would've got them a ring.
 
I agree with Stockton about the fact that tanking s...... But modern NBA have change the rule a lot and we can't compare old times/new times...only old grumpy people do that :). We will see if DA strategy works out or not in the 2 or 3 coming years. I'm on the camp, it won't but will be delighted to be wrong.
 
I’m not sure the jazz can compete unless they build through the draft with high draft picks. I mean we can’t seem to trade for a star and we sure as hell can’t sign them. Does Stockton say what he thinks they should do? Don’t have time to read the article.
 
Thee Jazz Fan said:
I’m not sure the jazz can compete unless they build through the draft with high draft picks. I mean we can’t seem to trade for a star and we sure as hell can’t sign them. Does Stockton say what he thinks they should do? Don’t have time to read the article.
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I think he was saying the Jazz should be trying to build a winning culture and tanking doesn't do that.
 
Thee Jazz Fan said:
I’m not sure the jazz can compete unless they build through the draft with high draft picks. I mean we can’t seem to trade for a star and we sure as hell can’t sign them. Does Stockton say what he thinks they should do? Don’t have time to read the article.
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I don’t know that I can speak for Stockton, as it sounds like these excerpts were very limited comments that likely were much expanded on (relative to your question), but I’d assume it wouldn’t be too far off to say something like, if you’ve just had the best record in the league, maybe not pivot to a mentality that you can just cash it all in for picks as the best way to build a contender. Especially considering that we’re currently not counting on a single asset from any of our trades to be a significant piece of a championship roster and instead are relying on our own picks that we’re continually tanking to improve (which isn’t working out to hot in the lottery).

So the question is which gap is more easily covered, the gap between where we were and contending or the gap between where we are now and contending. Because right now we have to lose in perpetuity until we can cover that gap, and it’s really our only option left to do so. So for me this is kind of like the Conley trade — it was absolutely the right thing to do in the moment. But we did (and didn’t do) a number of things before that, that we should have never been in the position to have that be our only option at that time.
 
Thee Jazz Fan said:
I’m not sure the jazz can compete unless they build through the draft with high draft picks. I mean we can’t seem to trade for a star and we sure as hell can’t sign them. Does Stockton say what he thinks they should do? Don’t have time to read the article.
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That's like... demonstrably false? The Stockton and Malone Jazz were not built with high draft picks, out of Deron, Boozer, Memo and AK only Deron was a high pick. Mitchell and Gobert were not high picks either.
 
I'd like to hear his thoughts on the poo-flinging match that Snyder and DL got into, the transactions over the last 12 months of DL's tenure, the (by all appearances) stubbornness and lack of imagination in Synder's schemes at the end, etc. In other words, the problem shouldn't be identified as the moment the jazz took a different direction. The problems arrived and forced the jazz into a compromised position with no great path forward.
 
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jazznik said:
That's like... demonstrably false? The Stockton and Malone Jazz were not built with high draft picks, out of Deron, Boozer, Memo and AK only Deron was a high pick. Mitchell and Gobert were not high picks either.
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The Stockton Malone picks back to back is a once in a life time kind of win the lotto kind of thing. That doesn’t happen every day.

We drafted DWill then paid Booz memo and AK and had nothing left to build a team. Decade later, we drafted Mitchell and Rudy and not even a star like Donovan could recruit other great players to Utah and that team the way it was constructed was never going to do anything, even after having a dominant number one record type of season the only way we’re going to build a championship. Caliber team is by tearing it completely down And hope to get lucky with draft picks yet we couldn’t do that because the Jazz tried to win their first two years after trading the two stars so as I see it the only way we are going to get championship worthy is by losing and losing a lot. How else are we going to build a championship level team? Tell me that please?
 
The Fresh Prince said:
It's crazy the amount of injuries Stockton should've sat out for but didn't.

Had he and Malone took a season off, and the Jazz tanked they would've likely found a star that would've got them a ring.
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Dr. Carlos Buhler from SLC was largely responsible for Stockton, Malone and Bill Romanowski's incredible durability.



"A 4-time Super Bowl champion, Bill Romanowski was a linebacker in the NFL for 16 seasons. He credits his chiropractor, Dr. Craig Buhler, with helping him avoid missing a single game throughout his career.

“I was able to keep the streak of 243 straight games in 16 seasons in the NFL. I was so amazed at what Dr. Buhler was able to do with my body and well-being that I recommended him to the Broncos, Raiders and to many high level multi-million dollar athletes.”


I know Romo and he told me about Dr. Buhler and how he met him through Stockton. He thought for sure he was going to miss a game after a sprained ankle in a game with the Bronco's but Dr. Buhler worked his magic. Romo met with Buhler every week in season, either flying to SLC or having him fly to SF/DEN.
 
str8line said:
Dr. Carlos Buhler from SLC was largely responsible for Stockton, Malone and Bill Romanowski's incredible durability.



"A 4-time Super Bowl champion, Bill Romanowski was a linebacker in the NFL for 16 seasons. He credits his chiropractor, Dr. Craig Buhler, with helping him avoid missing a single game throughout his career.

“I was able to keep the streak of 243 straight games in 16 seasons in the NFL. I was so amazed at what Dr. Buhler was able to do with my body and well-being that I recommended him to the Broncos, Raiders and to many high level multi-million dollar athletes.”


I know Romo and he told me about Dr. Buhler and how he met him through Stockton. He thought for sure he was going to miss a game after a sprained ankle in a game with the Bronco's but Dr. Buhler worked his magic. Romo met with Buhler every week in season, either flying to SLC or having him fly to SF/DEN.
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infection said:
I don’t know that I can speak for Stockton, as it sounds like these excerpts were very limited comments that likely were much expanded on (relative to your question), but I’d assume it wouldn’t be too far off to say something like, if you’ve just had the best record in the league, maybe not pivot to a mentality that you can just cash it all in for picks as the best way to build a contender. Especially considering that we’re currently not counting on a single asset from any of our trades to be a significant piece of a championship roster and instead are relying on our own picks that we’re continually tanking to improve (which isn’t working out to hot in the lottery).

So the question is which gap is more easily covered, the gap between where we were and contending or the gap between where we are now and contending. Because right now we have to lose in perpetuity until we can cover that gap, and it’s really our only option left to do so. So for me this is kind of like the Conley trade — it was absolutely the right thing to do in the moment. But we did (and didn’t do) a number of things before that, that we should have never been in the position to have that be our only option at that time.
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Pretty easy question to answer. We were the 1 seed and very close to contending. The Conley and Mitchell injuries really hobbled them and their ability to defend vs the Clips. And score for that matter. But Gobert took all the blame. If we were healthy I think there’s a good chance we would have gotten to the WCF.

Right now we aren’t close to anything.
 
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