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KqWIN said:
He did have a team option that would have paid him $2M....but IIRC, had they exercised that team option he would have been unrestricted the following year so they just gave him the money now. Jokic had the same thing....second round contract stuff.
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Herb did something similar. It gets them an extra discount per year for sure. Smart business on both sides for that one.
 
NUMBERICA said:
So, I think Walker might actually be asking for the moon. He either gets the moon from the Jazz, or it might precipitate him getting moved (maybe to the Lakers) which he probably wants, given all of the nonsense the Jazz have been doing.

I guess I hope this is the case as cope for the Jazz most likely just completely fumbling this.
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I think the Jazz didn't negotiate and didn't really make an offer in good faith. Like I think they made an offer to simply say they made an offer and then walked away. The cap space is only one of the reasons. They aren't sure on Walker is ummm... my theory. My guess is simply... the Jazz would do it at 20 per year which is high. I think Walk would settle in around 30M which might be a touch high on an extension... but that his initial ask may have been around 35M (guys generally start high).

I don't think we ever really tried to find what the real acceptable middle ground was. If he improves his passing a bit, keeps his block and Oreb rates high again, and maybe gets his FT shooting in the mid 60s I think he will have a good enough year to get in that 35M ballpark. If the Lakers come calling with a 3+1 at 35Mish range and Walker's team says "don't match it" are we going to match? I just think cap space is a total farce and retaining your best young players should be a priority... but I guess that's why I'm not a gm?
 
KqWIN said:
It's interesting that Duren is not expected to reach an extension either.
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He kinda sucks. Like if you listen to Pistons fans talk about him he is pretty empty calories. He has some interesting things but the defense isn't really good. Like I think Walker is quite a bit better.
 
The Sharpe extension is getting the NBA twitter approval but... like... is he good? Its one I could see going either way. The shooting has been great and he's not a defender even though you'd think he has the attributes to be one.
 
I bet Braun and Daniels end up getting done.
 
KqWIN said:
He's a pretty good offensive player/rebounder....but he doesn't defend.
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Yeah... I think because he doesn't stretch the floor and doesn't anchor a defense some of the Pistons fans are luke warm or cold on him. I think 15-20M per would be the range that is fair for him and he's likely got much bigger eyes.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah... I think because he doesn't stretch the floor and doesn't anchor a defense some of the Pistons fans are luke warm or cold on him. I think 15-20M per would be the range that is fair for him and he's likely got much bigger eyes.
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I guess I didn't know the local read on him. I was surprised something didn't get done because Duren is a guy that's long been glazed by national media. Quick search shows that Duren's asking price is way higher than Kessler's.
 
KqWIN said:
I guess I didn't know the local read on him. I was surprised something didn't get done because Duren is a guy that's long been glazed by national media. Quick search shows that Duren's asking price is way higher than Kessler's.
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It may or may not be right but I get the feeling he is kind of a cat chasing a laser pointer. Offensive oriented bigs who can't shoot have to be like Sabonis, Sengun good to get the big $$$$
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It may or may not be right but I get the feeling he is kind of a cat chasing a laser pointer. Offensive oriented bigs who can't shoot have to be like Sabonis, Sengun good to get the big $$$$
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I could be out of the loop, but I don't think there has been the same kind of tension between Duren/Pistons as there is Kessler/Jazz. Usually these things get done when both sides like each other. OTOH, I think DET has a better case than we do as far as saving cap space for next summer. If Duren was really asking for "well north of $30M a year" DET was wise to let him prove it.

I think the sharper teams will value Kessler > Duren. But there's definitely going to be some that prefer Duren.

DET is another team that will be out of the honeymoon phase soon and will have to meet expectations.
 
KqWIN said:
I could be out of the loop, but I don't think there has been the same kind of tension between Duren/Pistons as there is Kessler/Jazz. Usually these things get done when both sides like each other. OTOH, I think DET has a better case than we do as far as saving cap space for next summer. If Duren was really asking for "well north of $30M a year" DET was wise to let him prove it.

I think the sharper teams will value Kessler > Duren. But there's definitely going to be some that prefer Duren.

DET is another team that will be out of the honeymoon phase soon and will have to meet expectations.
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I think Detroit also has better reason for reservations on a non-stretch big. Cade isn't like a deadeye shooter... Ausar is a non-shooter... Holland struggles there too. If all their building blocks range from complete non-shooter to okayish... its tough to build that way.

I could see Detroit struggling a bit and then maybe making an offer for Lauri or pushing some chips in.
 
Walker is good at the big man things. If he had a real pg I think the scoring would go up quite a bit. If he improves as a passer and FT shooter... I think top 10 center is within reach. I think we have an opportunity to pay him like a top 20ish center on a team friendly construction and totally just punted. Not many scenarios that are good for us that this doesn't come back to bite us at least a little.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think Detroit also has better reason for reservations on a non-stretch big. Cade isn't like a deadeye shooter... Ausar is a non-shooter... Holland struggles there too. If all their building blocks range from complete non-shooter to okayish... its tough to build that way.

I could see Detroit struggling a bit and then maybe making an offer for Lauri or pushing some chips in.
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That's fair, and I would definitely watch them as a Lauri team. Ausar has got to be considered their second best player/asset, so he won't be in a Lauri deal. Holland....he kind of interests me. But it's hard to believe in him as a shooter.....really don't like Ivey and not sure how much I really care for a bunch of future DET picks.
 
KqWIN said:
That's fair, and I would definitely watch them as a Lauri team. Ausar has got to be considered their second best player/asset, so he won't be in a Lauri deal. Holland....he kind of interests me. But it's hard to believe in him as a shooter.....really don't like Ivey and not sure how much I really care for a bunch of future DET picks.
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Yeah they wouldn't be my first pick of teams I'd want to own picks from but they are so Cade dependent and he's had health issues so who knows. I don't know if we'd take it but my guess would be Ivey, Harris, 2 firsts and 2 swaps (maybe super swap variations). I think they have a pile of seconds as well they could line the deal with.

It doesn't really excite me but if we have Ace and Taylor/Flip look improved... maybe we clear out Lauri. We may also draft someone that plays in that slot this draft.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah they wouldn't be my first pick of teams I'd want to own picks from but they are so Cade dependent and he's had health issues so who knows. I don't know if we'd take it but my guess would be Ivey, Harris, 2 firsts and 2 swaps (maybe super swap variations). I think they have a pile of seconds as well they could line the deal with.

It doesn't really excite me but if we have Ace and Taylor/Flip look improved... maybe we clear out Lauri. We may also draft someone that plays in that slot this draft.
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Is there any chance that Lauri and Ausar (plus salary ballast) could be traded with very little or no draft compensation? Would either team be interested in that?
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
He's probably not good now, but could be good in like 3-4 years.
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Agree. I think in 12 months it could look a little rich or like a bargain. It was pretty universally well liked. I guess most extension are though.
 
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