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No Extension for Walker Kessler?

KqWIN said:
We're all excited about Walker last night, and we should be. Who knows what the rest of the season holds, but that was about as promising as you can get. I really don't know how you can look at that and say, wow the Jazz did a really good job here. That's just how this works. If he sucked we know with 100% certainty that people would be saying "thank god we didn't extend him".
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I think anyone rationally would agree we should have extended him if the number was right. We don’t know what any numbers were though that’s the thing. If it came out that he would have agreed to 25M/year then yeah we fumbled that. If it was 30M and he ends up getting 35M it’s not that big of a deal because we had a full extra season to make sure that he’s worth that.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I think anyone rationally would agree we should have extended him if the number was right. We don’t know what any numbers were though that’s the thing. If it came out that he would have agreed to 25M/year then yeah we fumbled that. If it was 30M and he ends up getting 35M it’s not that big of a deal because we had a full extra season to make sure that he’s worth that.
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You're 100% right that we don't know what the numbers were, and because of that we also can't know how big of a mistake it may be. But we also 100% know that the better Kessler plays, the stronger the argument is that we should have extended him and vice versa. That's not brainrot.
 
KqWIN said:
You're 100% right that we don't know what the numbers were, and because of that we also can't know how big of a mistake it may be. But we also 100% know that the better Kessler plays, the stronger the argument is that we should have extended him and vice versa. That's not brainrot.
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The use of brain rot is killing me.
 
I think there is truth to the hardy not envisioning a Kessler/Allen/gobert/etc type of center for his team going forward.
Since the day hardy and Kessler got together on the same team I have felt that hardy hasn't used him enough.

All this is fine btw. Hardy may just prefer an okur type center to a gobert type center. Which is ok. But I hope that if this is the case then we at least get a pick or two from someone who does like the the gobert/Kessler style of center.

On the other hand, maybe Kessler continues to improve his 3 ball, free throw shooting, and playmaking and becomes the ideal center in every way to hardy. If that's the case it would have been better to sign him for less money than more.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Or they were just way too far apart…
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They don't know how far apart they were though.

If you walk into the dealership and offer $10k below invoice and the salesman goes "how about full sticker?" and then you walk off the lot.... do you really know what the price of the car would have been?
 
fishonjazz said:
I think there is truth to the hardy not envisioning a Kessler/Allen/gobert/etc type of center for his team going forward.
Since the day hardy and Kessler got together on the same team I have felt that hardy hasn't used him enough.

All this is fine btw. Hardy may just prefer an okur type center to a gobert type center. Which is ok. But I hope that if this is the case then we at least get a pick or two from someone who does like the the gobert/Kessler style of center.

On the other hand, maybe Kessler continues to improve his 3 ball, free throw shooting, and playmaking and becomes the ideal center in every way to hardy. If that's the case it would have been better to sign him for less money than more.
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I have wondered about how Hardy and AInge feel about a Kessler type of center but don't think Kessler is a Gobert type or a Memo type. I would say it is clear that at least AInge had no interest in a Gobert type.
 
gomretat said:
I have wondered about how Hardy and AInge feel about a Kessler type of center but don't think Kessler is a Gobert type or a Memo type. I would say it is clear that at least AInge had no interest in a Gobert type.
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I just think that size is all the way back and you won't have the luxury of having the size you need also be able to shoot. You will need a few different types of bigs unless you have a Jokic or Wemby.

Its also on a coach to bend to the strengths of their roster. You can't be so locked in that you dismiss useful players cuz they aren't the ideal player for what you ideally want.
 
KqWIN said:
We can make up any numbers we want to put the blame on one side or the other. It could be the case that either side was being completely unreasonable, it's all BS until we actually know the numbers. But it's pretty simple logic to say that if Kessler plays well, he's going to get more than what we could have extended him for. If he plays poorly, he's going to get less than what we could have extended him for. Kessler bet on himself, the Jazz bet against him.

And no, I do not believe in this "cap space preservation" thing. I am in full agreement with @Handlogten's Heros that this a dumb explanation. Long term financial relief from a front loaded contract is significantly more important.
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On the pod I said that the acid test for the cap space theory is whether they pick up or decline Cody's option. If 10M in cap space is worth fussing with Walker's extension, then Cody's option would free up another $5M in "flexibility".
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They don't know how far apart they were though.

If you walk into the dealership and offer $10k below invoice and the salesman goes "how about full sticker?" and then you walk off the lot.... do you really know what the price of the car would have been?
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You’re telling me they didn’t have an idea? Lol come on now. There’s just no way.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
On the pod I said that the acid test for the cap space theory is whether they pick up or decline Cody's option. If 10M in cap space is worth fussing with Walker's extension, then Cody's option would free up another $5M in "flexibility".
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Except that isnt true.

Them keeping/not keeping Cody only has to do with what they think of Cody.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I just think that size is all the way back and you won't have the luxury of having the size you need also be able to shoot. You will need a few different types of bigs unless you have a Jokic or Wemby.

Its also on a coach to bend to the strengths of their roster. You can't be so locked in that you dismiss useful players cuz they aren't the ideal player for what you ideally want.
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Agreed on all points. And it fascinates me that the Wemby year when we could have tanked we sat in Limbo - maybe the smartest year to tank in decades.
 
Im not going to fully defend the Jazz FO. I have a big amount of skepticism they can do anything with the cap-space gained from not extending Kessler, but until that plan completely fails I'm not going to take a hard stance against the no extension for Walker.
 
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