No Extension for Walker Kessler?

[KqWIN]

I get what you’re saying. He’s always been good tho too which makes the situation even murkier.

Yeah...and having his production on rookie scale is a big benefit to trading him. The longer you wait, the more of that value you're burning for whatever team may want him. Kessler had value as a prospect, but also because he had immediate value with his production compared to salary. The Jazz didn't seem to love him as prospect and obviously didn't need him to win now, which is why I thought a trade could happen. I personally didn't want to trade him, but if that's what the Jazz think of him an earlier move would have made most sense.

 

[framer]

Man almost none of this is true. The main points of contention:

- a **** ton of non-max extensions got done. it ain't max or nothing.
- There are catastrophic examples of squeezing extension eligible players and ending up having it bite you in the *** hard. Gordon here and Jalen Brunson another.

1.Brunson was a UFA, no? If no, then Dallas was at fault for not having the cap room to sign him.

2. The Jazz lost Hayward as a UFA. Not the same thing.

3. Walker is arguably the best player on the team most nights. That kind of guy on a small market team generally gets maxxed. I can see Kesslers side insisting on it. I can see the Jazz and Kessler being far apart.

4. If the Jazz are open to trading Kessler they, by far, made the right decision. Do you think the Jazz made a mistake signing Lauri to a big contract rather than trading him before that?

 

[KqWIN]

1.Brunson was a UFA, no? If no, then Dallas was at fault for not having the cap room to sign him.

2. The Jazz lost Hayward as a UFA. Not the same thing.

3. Walker is arguably the best player on the team most nights. That kind of guy on a small market team generally gets maxxed. I can see Kesslers side insisting on it. I can see the Jazz and Kessler being far apart.

4. If the Jazz are open to trading Kessler they, by far, made the right decision. Do you think the Jazz made a mistake signing Lauri to a big contract rather than trading him before that?

Idk if you're just trying to be a homer or truly lack this amount of critical thinking skills.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

1.Brunson was a UFA, no? If no, then Dallas was at fault for not having the cap room to sign him.

They had an opportunity to extend him at like 4/$55M and decided he needed to prove it and wanted flexibility. Dallas declined an opportunity to extend a guy who was willing to extend. RFA or not... it bit them HARD. Its a relevant cautionary tale.

2. The Jazz lost Hayward as a UFA. Not the same thing.

Well he never hits RFA if they had extended him for the 4/50 he wanted. Instead he got 4/63 but last year was a player option... which allowed him to hit UFA and bounce. Had a legit championship window with one more year (at cheaper money).

3. Walker is arguably the best player on the team most nights. That kind of guy on a small market team generally gets maxxed. I can see Kesslers side insisting on it. I can see the Jazz and Kessler being far apart.

He did not want the max. If they had offered him $30M (like 10-15M below his max) I have zero doubt it gets done. I know some things here. The Jazz never approached a serious offer. There were like 5-10 contracts that got done in the neighborhood of Walker's deal.

4. If the Jazz are open to trading Kessler they, by far, made the right decision. Do you think the Jazz made a mistake signing Lauri to a big contract rather than trading him before that?

IDK... but my position all along with Walker was pay him or trade him. Lauri would have been similar. Once they got to one year left the renegotiate and extend was a no brainer if they didn't move him. I would have understood moving him too. The process there was at least sound because we knew what it would take to extend him and what we could get in a trade offer.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

A lot of talk about Kessler’s situation here. Kind of hard because it seems we don’t know the facts. But I’ll say this. Teams don’t give a player a big contract until he’s proven that he deserves it. If Kessler had shown he can shoot, pass, and defend the perimeter in addition to protecting the rim, he would have a fat extension in his pocket right now. But he doesn’t because, when it comes to contracts, teams don't want to make decisions based on guesses about whether a player will develop his skills later. Now, if Kessler becomes versatile, the Jazz will offer him a nice contract, but it may not be much different than the contract they would’ve given him this summer had he shown those skills earlier.

If the front office doesn’t know Kessler added a 3 to his game so now in addition to guarding the paint, scoring in the paint, picking up garbage and being a positive +|- guy he now can hit a 3 which forces defenses to be honest and spreads the floor offensively which plays right into our 3 and paint shot selection, then their heads are in the sand.
You don’t find this out on opening day.

 

[jumpin bean]

Pacers not extending Mathurin is the same head scratcher

 

[SoUjazzfan]

If the front office doesn’t know Kessler added a 3 to his game so now in addition to guarding the paint, scoring in the paint, picking up garbage and being a positive +|- guy he now can hit a 3 which forces defenses to be honest and spreads the floor offensively which plays right into our 3 and paint shot selection, then their heads are in the sand.
You don’t find this out on opening day.

Kessler hitting a couple of threes dosent necessarily mean hes now a three point threat. My guess is he reverts back to the mean in the next couple of games. And lets see if his freethrows are for real as well. He's had a couple of outstanding games but that doesn't mean he's now an all star offensive player.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Kessler hitting a couple of threes dosent necessarily mean hes now a three point threat. My guess is he reverts back to the mean in the next couple of games. And lets see if his freethrows are for real as well. He's had a couple of outstanding games but that doesn't mean he's now an all star offensive player.

Yes, but it’s a start. In order to take them and hit them in a game, even if wide open, shows he has been taking them in practice and hitting them. This will force defenses to at least not leave him wide open.
He has more to prove, but even those 2 shots have now forced defenders closer to him when he’s out there, which now gives the team more offensive spacing and better looks.

My point was that the front office should have known he can hit wide open threes before game 1.

I never said he was suddenly the Joker.