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Ace Bailey ROY watch

I think part of the blame should be put on Hardy. He still did not find any players that he can reliably pair Ace with to multiply their strengths. He did for other players: Cody and Harkless for defense, WCJ with Nurk and, at the end of the games, Keyonte for extraplaymaking... But Ace is still kinda left on an island without a clear role and players he is vibing with. Coaches need to put him into the situation where he can leverage his strengths and feel that he is a valuable contributor. That has not happened yet.

Weirdly, I feel that Hardy accommodates Svi and Nurk more than such a crucial prospect as Bailey.
 
jazznik said:
I think part of the blame should be put on Hardy. He still did not find any players that he can reliably pair Ace with to multiply their strengths. He did for other players: Cody and Harkless for defense, WCJ with Nurk and, at the end of the games, Keyonte for extraplaymaking... But Ace is still kinda left on an island without a clear role and players he is vibing with. Coaches need to put him into the situation where he can leverage his strengths and feel that he is a valuable contributor. That has not happened yet.

Weirdly, I feel that Hardy accommodates Svi and Nurk more than such a crucial prospect as Bailey.
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We have like 4000 PFs on the roster and almost no playmakers, it's kind of a roster problem more than anything.
 
jazznik said:
I think part of the blame should be put on Hardy. He still did not find any players that he can reliably pair Ace with to multiply their strengths. He did for other players: Cody and Harkless for defense, WCJ with Nurk and, at the end of the games, Keyonte for extraplaymaking... But Ace is still kinda left on an island without a clear role and players he is vibing with. Coaches need to put him into the situation where he can leverage his strengths and feel that he is a valuable contributor. That has not happened yet.

Weirdly, I feel that Hardy accommodates Svi and Nurk more than such a crucial prospect as Bailey.
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It's Hardy's fault a raw skinny extremely young 19 year old (just turned in August) is struggling in the NBA is quite a take.
 
Kid's playing with a team with no clear north, playing no particular scheme, puzzling with lineups, no floor general... at the moment Bailey just doesn't fit whatever the Jazz are trying to do on court.
That said, I don't know if Hardy is trying to do something organized, planned. If he is I cannot distinguish it right now.
Still need to watch a lot more games to try to get an idea about Bailey.
 
I can see how you’d be really disappointed in Ace if bought into the iso ball, baby Kevin Durant kind of stuff. I never really believed in that translating, but it liked him as a blank slate kind of prospect. He needs to lean into what his strengths are, and right now that’s just his physical tools.

As a prospect he’s more like Jaden McDaniels than KD, TMac, or whatever other all time great people were throwing around. But don’t listen to me because I am someone who likes to think about prospects.
 
KqWIN said:
I can see how you’d be really disappointed in Ace if bought into the iso ball, baby Kevin Durant kind of stuff. I never really believed in that translating, but it liked him as a blank slate kind of prospect. He needs to lean into what his strengths are, and right now that’s just his physical tools.
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Yeah... you just don't draft a blank slate at #5 unless you see generational raw talent.

And Ace's physical tools are OK, but nothing special for the NBA.
 
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Tremendous Upside said:
Yeah... you just don't draft a blank slate at #5 unless you see generational raw talent.

And Ace's physical tools are OK, but nothing special for the NBA.
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I didn’t realize James Hansen University was offering a PhD in Basketball Idiocy. Good luck with your studies.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Yeah... you just don't draft a blank slate at #5 unless you see generational raw talent.

And Ace's physical tools are OK, but nothing special for the NBA.
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Drafting random blank slates at #5 is very common, lol

#5 picks over time

2025: Ace Bailey
2024: Ron Holland
2023: Ausar Thompson
2022: Jaden Ivey
2021: Jalen Suggs*
2020: Isaac Okoro
2019: Darius Garland (only played 6 games in college)
2018: Trae Young*
2017: De'Aaron Fox*
2016: Kris Dunn
2015: Mario Hezonja
2014: Dante Exum
2013: Alex Len
2012: Thomas Robinson*
2011: Jonas Valanciunas

Outside of the four guys with an asterisk, every #5 pick since the 2011 draft has been a random dice throw with an unclear role in the NBA.

Ace will probably end up being Michael Porter Jr, but like... That's fine for this point in the draft. Getting a #4 guy is pretty common here.
 
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