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Qman said:
I agree with most of this. The key point being Clark has a fully developed offensive game and a mature outlook on his game. He knows what is a good shot for himself and what isn't.

Burke on the other hand has a partial develop offensive game at the NBA level. On the watching Paul and Parker, he specially said he was watching their Pick and Roll tape. Pick and roll is/was his bread and butter.
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What would be cool is if he starts bonding with the bigs ASAP. I think Favors is our best pick-n-roll partner for him. Favors just needs to set a much harder screen. I really hope Malone teaches him this, above all else, at this point. Once he has that down, THEN focus on all the awesome finishing moves Malone had in his repertoire.
 
cctrackstar said:
Biggest mistake Clark made during pre draft was working out as a point guard. He isn't one, not to say that he couldn't sub as one in a pinch, but he should have worked out as a 2, then he might have gotten a look in the second round. As it is, he's ok, he's got a guaranteed contract, but it was a risk for sure.

He will either get time behind Burke as a 1 or time at the 2 while Burks backs up Burke at the 1. Beyond that, there really isn't much time out there for him unless he outplays someone.
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I didn't know that. I don't follow the college game much anymore. I try to limit my time in one area so I can stay interesting and interested in lots of things. :)
 
cctrackstar said:
Biggest mistake Clark made during pre draft was working out as a point guard. He isn't one, not to say that he couldn't sub as one in a pinch, but he should have worked out as a 2, then he might have gotten a look in the second round. As it is, he's ok, he's got a guaranteed contract, but it was a risk for sure.

He will either get time behind Burke as a 1 or time at the 2 while Burks backs up Burke at the 1. Beyond that, there really isn't much time out there for him unless he outplays someone.
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Clark reminds me of all those guys who just find ways to get playing time. He plays much bigger than his measurements tell you. When you have craftiness, you're either a veteran or a very skilled player or both. Also, certain players I just get good vibes from, basketball-wise and future-wise. I should write down all the players that I get that from and you'll see these hunches are always good to great players. Go Jazz!
 
orangello said:
Fantastic post. I don't agree with all of it but it is fantastic!
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Thank you. I appreciate. It's a bit of everything I've noticed lately. Still, this season, while it will be good, next year is the one to watch for. This is like the prequel and next year is the first movie in the trilogy. :)
 
Guitaro said:
Burke will be fine, but he's all cliches and t-shirts at this point. He's more worried about creating his brand then actually focusing on getting better. :) lol

Seriously, my type of player are guys with heart and intelligence. There's a reason why Stockton was my favorite. I liked Malone for his heart and never-say-die attitude. Even Ostertag had heart but just was lazy half the time.

What about Burke? Well, Burke hasn't shown what he's all about yet. I can tell he has talent. I can also tell he has an ability to focus when he wants to. I'm just worried he'll suffer from CJ-itis and keeps shooting now matter what. That's not good. Instead, how about try a different approach? Start passing more and defending? Maybe attack the rim and drawing fouls instead of those hero shots?

He says he's been watching tape on Tony Parker and Chris Paul. How about taking a step back and learn the fundamentals first? You can't always take off-balance leaning shots and expect them to go in. He tends to overreact to his defender and make this dramatic shot like they're this ultra-awesome defender. Truth is, young NBA hopefuls are usually fast and have quicker reactions than in the regular NBA. He won't face that kind of intensity on a nightly basis. He needs to relax and just try new things to expand his game and polish the old stuff that got him here. Don't overthink it.

You ask am I more excited for Clark than Burke? Yes. Burke has a lot of work to do. I've seen too many of those kind of players that have talent but are a big question mark. Clark, to me, is more proven and has the skills that I can relate to. After all, I'm Batman. :) Seriously, Clark's game reminds me of my own in my weekend warrior days. I wasn't half-bad. I just had bad knees and feet. ;)

We need more intelligent, quality shooters and players on this roster, that know how to use their bodies already and have a humble attitude about the team. I'm not saying Burke doesn't have that. I'm just saying that I'm hearing more about his off-the-court promo stuff when he should be promoting his workouts and stuff that actually matters to the team's success. Being an example for everyone else is his job as point guard, right? Plus, he's acting like he's already the star of the team. That would bug me a little. Then again, it is a business and he is marketing his product. It's hard to blame him for making the most of it. He is working hard. I'll give him that.

Also, his work ethic will most likely help him prevail in the end. Guys who are willing to work hard usually always get better every year. "Myagi have a hope for you." :)

As for Clark? He's shown me that I can safely say, "Let it fly!" :)

Sweet! Can't wait!
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Good one. But I don't have a fear of Burke turning into a chucker. I think you're right about Ian being more ready than him to compete in the NBA level, but I think his advantage comes from his mentality, not his talent. I think Burke is more talented. But he is really young. And the things you've mentioned like him being a poser more than an intelligent player will pass in time as he gets older. Kanter became a conservative Muslim in one season following a summer time with playboy actresses and partying! I think Burke will have a more stable personality. And I really feel lucky that we have both Ian Clark and Trey Burke at the same time. I think the reason Burke answered that video/film question that way (that he watched CP3 and TP) is that he wanted to give a cliché answer. But I totally agree with you on fundamentals. I think that is the first thing that wins games.
 
Clark seems to have some pretty good body control, which is how Deron compensated for a slight lack in speed. And guess what, NBA players don't play at full speed all the time anyway, so I can see him getting time. The biggest problem is if he is exclusively a 2, then there just isn't much time to get if Burks and Rush are both healthy. I hope he learned some point guard skills even if he isn't a pure point because can you imagine him and Burks on the floor at the same time, with Burks handling the ball? Just a thought.
 
Guitaro said:
What would be cool is if he starts bonding with the bigs ASAP. I think Favors is our best pick-n-roll partner for him. Favors just needs to set a much harder screen. I really hope Malone teaches him this, above all else, at this point. Once he has that down, THEN focus on all the awesome finishing moves Malone had in his repertoire.
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Favors has better physical tools and size that Malone. So his finishing moves will be different. The screen setting and timing of his rolls are things Malone can really help him with though.
 
Guitaro said:
Clark reminds me of all those guys who just find ways to get playing time. He plays much bigger than his measurements tell you. When you have craftiness, you're either a veteran or a very skilled player or both. Also, certain players I just get good vibes from, basketball-wise and future-wise. I should write down all the players that I get that from and you'll see these hunches are always good to great players. Go Jazz!
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So kind of like a more skilled Wes Matthews? I could live with that.
 
Qman said:
Favors has better physical tools and size that Malone. So his finishing moves will be different. The screen setting and timing of his rolls are things Malone can really help him with though.
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This is seriously questionable. Not sure anyone has had the physical tools Malone had (and likely still has) for that position, ever. Watch game tape. He ran the floor better than most SF's, let alone PF's. He was far more agile than a man his size has any natural right to be. Favors has an inch or so in height on Malone, but really that is about it. Favors doesn't have Malone's skillset either, at least not yet.

Now if Favors can develop half of Malone's work ethic, then he will be something special indeed.
 
This is seriously questionable. Not sure anyone has had the physical tools Malone had (and likely still has) for that position, ever. Watch game tape. He ran the floor better than most SF's, let alone PF's.
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Funny, that's what people say about Lebron. Yeah, I just did that, compared the two, and sure LeBron has much more guard skills than Malone, but it's nice to hear someone else say that Malone was more than a power player.
 
He seems to make up for the low release on his shot by a really quick release, and shifty moves to create space. If he can handle the ball and run the offense as a PG, I can see him making it. His shooting off the bench could be really valuable.
 
different tools

LogGrad98 said:
This is seriously questionable. Not sure anyone has had the physical tools Malone had (and likely still has) for that position, ever. Watch game tape. He ran the floor better than most SF's, let alone PF's. He was far more agile than a man his size has any natural right to be. Favors has an inch or so in height on Malone, but really that is about it. Favors doesn't have Malone's skillset either, at least not yet.

Now if Favors can develop half of Malone's work ethic, then he will be something special indeed.
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Good points.

Certainly no comparison with Malone at this point, with Malone superior in nearly every aspect of the game (shooting, touch, soft hands, footwork, work ethic, killer instinct, BB IQ, vision, passing, strength, etc, etc, etc.....

Favors has better length, height, vertical, explosive jumping acceleration (really unequalled), quicker first step to basket, and (maybe) speed (Malone ran the floor exceptionally well because he was busting his ***, his speed was above average, he was running past lazier, less conditioned opponents).

Pure athleticism is totally overrated, unless accompanies by the IQ to know what to do with it. Think Jeff Hornacek playing basically on one leg. Or Magic (lacked vertical and quickness) or Stock (although more athletic than credited). Some guys who could squeeze a shot off at precisely the moment the "hole" opened up in the defense, as opposed to just freakin jumping over the defenders (think Manu). One reason why wily vets pretty consistently take down more athletic younger competition in the playoffs. People (appropriately) rave about LBJ's and MJ's combined court savvy + athleticism, but remember them earlier in their careers? Think about Payton's first couple years in the league when he struggled mightily until he learned the pro game (reason to be optimistic about Trey's long-term despite subpar physical tools, cautious about his first couple years, and to totally discount his summer league).
 
LogGrad98 said:
This is seriously questionable. Not sure anyone has had the physical tools Malone had (and likely still has) for that position, ever. Watch game tape. He ran the floor better than most SF's, let alone PF's. He was far more agile than a man his size has any natural right to be. Favors has an inch or so in height on Malone, but really that is about it. Favors doesn't have Malone's skillset either, at least not yet.

Now if Favors can develop half of Malone's work ethic, then he will be something special indeed.
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Malone was H-U-N-G-R-Y.


I have yet to see the hunger in Favors' eyes.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Malone was H-U-N-G-R-Y.


I have yet to see the hunger in Favors' eyes.
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Exactly. This is why I am hoping Favors picked up some of Malone's nasty. I want to see Favors pull a guy down while backing away from him in the post, or drive his elbows at someone, or throw out that knee while going to the hoop. Everything Malone did was engineered to get under someone's skin and give the mailman the edge. Let's hope Favors picked up some of that this off-season. A focused, hungry, nasty Favors, with his developing skillset, could be a monster on the court like no other.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Malone was H-U-N-G-R-Y.


I have yet to see the hunger in Favors' eyes.
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I think we are starting to see it a little in Kanters eyes. But to expect the same hunger from anyone that Malone and Stockton showed is bound to lead to disappointment.
 
Stoked said:
I think we are starting to see it a little in Kanters eyes. But to expect the same hunger from anyone that Malone and Stockton showed is bound to lead to disappointment.
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Well, obviously not at the same level, but I don't even see an ounce of HUNGER in his eyes... that still bothers me TBH witchu.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Well, obviously not at the same level, but I don't even see an ounce of HUNGER in his eyes... that still bothers me TBH witchu.
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Not everyone shows it the same way. Favors seems very quiet and private. I think he will be fine.
 
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