so I decided to look up their record for the last five years and you could not be more wrong. In fact, Minnesota would be in contention for the number one overall pick this year. Last year 2013 they were 31-51, in 2012 they were 26-48, in 2011 they were 17-65 and in 2010 they were 15-67. If they finished off this season out of the playoffs, the NBA would average those seasons and Minnesota would get a very high pick in this draft. The bucks have also been pretty bad over that time to so it could be close.
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so I decided to look up their record for the last five years and you could not be more wrong. In fact, Minnesota would be in contention for the number one overall pick this year. Last year 2013 they were 31-51, in 2012 they were 26-48, in 2011 they were 17-65 and in 2010 they were 15-67. If they finished off this season out of the playoffs, the NBA would average those seasons and Minnesota would get a very high pick in this draft. The bucks have also been pretty bad over that time to so it could be close.
fgcamel
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Surely the bobcats would take the worst record for the last 5 years. or possibly the wizards. pistons maybe. kings?
Yea, there are some bad franchises atm.
I haven't posted here in well over a year but I'm gonna make all of your brains explode with these 2 words, "reverse lottery."
How about this idea of the reverse lottery, where the 14th best record would get the most balls? Also, I would make it that the 14-10th place teams would get an higher probability of getting the 1st overall pick (say 15-20% chance) vs what the current system has for the top 5 (9-25%).
Teams would be fighting for the 8th seed or a 15-20% chance of getting the top pick. This would give the NBA a better product (ie, PHI wouldn't just dump Evan Turner for a ~14M 2nd round pick).
I feel this rewards winning, ensure smarter contracts, & instills the game's integrity. Look if PHX doesn't get the 8th seed, they deserve the 15-20% chance for "Wiggins" & as of today, UTA would get the 6th position (vs 8th).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_draft_lottery#Process
BTW, there won't be any "lottery tournament" unless they update the CBA. The players union would then negotiate for more BRI. Will those games be nationally televised? Money aside, do the players even want to participate in said tournament?
https://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3289/playoff-bonus-money
How about this idea of the reverse lottery, where the 14th best record would get the most balls? Also, I would make it that the 14-10th place teams would get an higher probability of getting the 1st overall pick (say 15-20% chance) vs what the current system has for the top 5 (9-25%).
Teams would be fighting for the 8th seed or a 15-20% chance of getting the top pick. This would give the NBA a better product (ie, PHI wouldn't just dump Evan Turner for a ~14M 2nd round pick).
I feel this rewards winning, ensure smarter contracts, & instills the game's integrity. Look if PHX doesn't get the 8th seed, they deserve the 15-20% chance for "Wiggins" & as of today, UTA would get the 6th position (vs 8th).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_draft_lottery#Process
BTW, there won't be any "lottery tournament" unless they update the CBA. The players union would then negotiate for more BRI. Will those games be nationally televised? Money aside, do the players even want to participate in said tournament?
https://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/3289/playoff-bonus-money
I like your idea but what about the teams that are not trying to tank, but just suck. The bucks in my opinion are not trying to tank they just do not have enough talent to compete. The problem with a playoff system for sucky teams (other than its not allowed by the CBA) and the reverse lottery is that teams that suck are not always trying to lose. They need help to get better. Now what Philly did should not be allowed they are really tanking games. The Bucks just don't have enough talent.
fgcamel
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The problem i see with this is that, while it would most likely stop the tanking problem we currently have, it would mean all the genuinely bad teams would be stuck picking in the 10 - 14 range. So instead of average teams remaining average by selecting in that range, there would be bad teams remaining bad or getting worse in that range.
jope
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i like the all same % idea. or maybe extend the lottery to 5 teams instead of 3. finish last and still have a chance to pick 6th?
the tournament idea scares me, think of the bubble teams that win 50 games in the west and miss the playoffs.... they would wreck the 7 east coast teams with 20 wins. then you have a team already capable of winning 50 games get the #1 pick? talk about eliminating parody.
the tournament idea scares me, think of the bubble teams that win 50 games in the west and miss the playoffs.... they would wreck the 7 east coast teams with 20 wins. then you have a team already capable of winning 50 games get the #1 pick? talk about eliminating parody.
How would the average method I propose hurt small market teams? The wheel system everyone is talking about would kill small market teams. The playoff method would hurt small market teams as the best teams would win the playoff tournament. The "same percentage method" would hurt small market teams as teams like Boston, Lakers would get the same chances as the bucks (we all know Boston or the Lakers are going to magically win the lottery anyway). The reverse lottery would probably hurt small market teams.
But how would a five year average hurt small market teams? I would argue that small market teams that can't bring in free agents like the laker or miami would benefit the most from the averaged method approach. The lakers will bring in free agents and wont be bad for long stretches at a time. An average system helps the teams that have been bad for longer periods of time which generally are the small market teams.
Why reward losing & which teams have been in the bottom 4 consistently in the past 3-5 years?
Toronto's old GM just said that he tried to tank in the 2011-12 season & wound up with the 8th pick. If they won 4 more games, they could've gotten the 5th pick (or 15-20% chance for #1).
Utah would've been slotted with the 1st overall in the lottery last season in my reverse lottery.
If Memphis or Dallas bumps Phoenix for the last playoff spot, PHX would get the 1st slot in the lottery. Doesn't that team deserve it over PHILLY!
The draft system is supposed to help those teams that are not good, that is why the draft exists in the first place. Otherwise, just make them all free agents and let the go to the highest bidder. Then we get baseball where 5 teams win it every year. The lottery system was introduced because teams were trying to lose. The answer is develop a system that helps the teams that really need help, but doesn't encourage teams to intentionally lose.
Its about having a league of competitive teams. Where any team could win a championship.
This. I have been saying this for almost the whole season. The Lakers will get pick #1 or 2 and the Celtics will be in the top 3 as well. Don't be surprised when the Lakers pull off some bizarre trade to get another pick in the top 5. Wiggins, Embiid/Smart, Kobe et al compete for more rings next season.
While I agree that the draft needs to be reformed, the best way to raise the competitiveness of the league as a whole is contraction. Reduce each division by one team, redraft the players into the remaining teams and suddenly every team gets better. The talent pool is just too thin with this many teams, and if you can get 2-3 of the top 20 players on one team you will tend to dominate.
green
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The wheel system does NOT favor big market teams at all. This is such a STUPID argument. The wheel system favors SMART teams.
Could you imagine a Jazz team like this:
PG: Stockton, Nash, Andre Miller
SG: Jon Barry
SF: Grant Hill, Glenn Rice
PF: Charles Oakley
C: Hakeem Olajuwon
The only way Utah ever has a team like that is through the wheel system.
Under any sort of of lottery system, Utah never has a shot at that many high caliber players.
Could you imagine a Jazz team like this:
PG: Stockton, Nash, Andre Miller
SG: Jon Barry
SF: Grant Hill, Glenn Rice
PF: Charles Oakley
C: Hakeem Olajuwon
The only way Utah ever has a team like that is through the wheel system.
Under any sort of of lottery system, Utah never has a shot at that many high caliber players.
Coach Ellis
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The wheel system would only work if they raise the age limit. No more one and done. Make guys stay in school for three years or until they're at least 20. Otherwise I think you'll have guys try to game the system to get to preferred destinations (which would likely favor big market teams). Keeping them in school longer forces them to develop more AND makes it more likely that they come out if they'll be a top pick because the can't put off jumping for too long.
I don't know if you noticed but only 8 Franchises have won the NBA Championship in the last 25 years (14 NFL & 16 MLB).
What if in the 2006 draft, Utah traded its 1st overall, Boozer, & Giri (or Harp) for Pau Gasol & Mike Miller (or Battier). Could that team defeat San Antonio? How about last year, Utah could have traded its 1st for say Rondo, Bledsoe, or Teague, with other assets in return.
The wheel system is not going to help the teams lacking in talent improve. Miami getting Wiggins or parker this year would doom the entire league to 8 more years of second place or worse.