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14 blocks.....and STILL lose the game by 10!

What I think it proves is that there is a big difference between being a good shot blocker/shot blocking team and a good low post defensive player/team. Blocked shots are almost worthless if you can't secure the rebound.

You look at guys like KG, Perkins, and Sheed and you see 3 above average defenders who totaled 0 blocked shots last night combined and helped their team get a victory. Defense starts with the feet, moves up to the body, and only after that does it matter what you do in the air.

What it definitely shows me is the value of a guy like Aldrich over someone like Whiteside. While Whiteside is a prolific shot blocker, he is a poor man to man defender. Aldrich is no slouch blocking shots either, but he's also a very good defender on the floor.
 
You forgot about Pierce's clean block of Artest after Artest stole the ball on the pass to Pierce.

So far as the Garnett-Gasol call. I would've called a jump ball because they both were touching the ball. Though Garnett had more contact with it, Gasol also had one of his fingers on it. Why they gave it to the Celts might've had something to do with Gasol being over the back. Hard to know what they were thinking.

I would agree though that the Lakers were and have been getting most of the calls their way in the series.
 
Gameface said:
OK CJ, how many 3s has a team hit in a single game and still lost? Plug that number into my post and read it again. My point was that you proved nothing about how much of an impact 14 blocks a game has. I don't think there is one stat that you can say "if you get X number of this you'll win everytime." No different with blocks.
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...I guess it's possible to find out.....what's the record for most blocked shots in a game by a losing team....that 14 by the Lakers has got to be close! Same with the 3 pointers.....some basketball geek could look it up I'm sure....but I'd bet a C-Note that no team with 18 three pointers made has ever lost an NBA game!
 
carolinajazz said:
I'd bet a C-Note that no team with 18 three pointers made has ever lost an NBA game!
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I dunno if that's such a great bet, eh, CJ? Some team probably made 18 while chucking up 70, ya know? Just the kinda thing some loser would do, know what I'm sayin?
 
Sirkickyass said:
I think it would have been a defensible error if it had been in the moment but the replay was unmistakeable and it happened at a crucial time in the game. Garnett's hand was clearly directly in front of Pau's. To my recollection, Garnett started behind Pau so I'm not certain how he would have gotten the rebound or how Pau committed a foul there. And I hate the Lakers and love it when fouls are called on them.



To be honest I didn't think it was particularly obvious. He went pretty close to straight up and there wasn't any clear arm contact initiated by Kobe. I thought it was a good no call with the Celtics taking the ball out.



I think your anti-Lakers bias might be getting the best of you here (and I think all of us have an anti-Lakers bias). The reality is that both teams had the same number of fouls called on them and the Lakers primary front court rotation (Pau, Bynum, and Odom) had 13 fouls called against them while Boston's primary front court rotation (Garnett, Perkins, Sheed, Big Baby) had 17 fouls called against them. And Odom got 5 fouls in 15 minutes! That's even worse than Big Baby's 4 in 18 minutes.

It's roughly 4 fouls per player on each side, while the Laker's back court had significantly more foul problems than the Celtics. There's a reason Kobe only got 34 minutes in this game.



Now that we can agree on. That was a bad call because the block was completely clean.
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I think Garnett gets that rebound except Pau hit him in the back of the hand forcing the ball out of bounds, Therefore it should be called a foul. Instead they gave the ball to the Celtics. I don't know how their review system is supposed to work but Garnett could have easily rebounded that ball if he was not hit. Therefore to me the call was correct in that Pau's foul caused the ball to go out.

Garnett was behind but appeared to go straight up. Pau appeared to back into Garnett and hit him on the arm/hand that he attempted to rebound with.

Basically I don't think it was clearly a miss call.

On the Kobe call he was in the restricted area and there was definitely contact causing the player to miss the shot. That is a foul on the Jazz 99% of the time. I believe they let it go because Kobe had 5 fouls. If they go straight up or not that is almost always a call on the defender especially since he turned after the pass and was definitely not set in any way.

As far as my Laker's bias with regards to the perceived contact and foul calling. I'll give you that and concede the point. Because I definitely have a bias against the Laker's. :)
 
carolinajazz said:
....we never shook on it?
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Look at this! I guess you just can't trust a newbie with only 60 posts or so. I guess if you want someone with integrity you're going to have to find a more well established poster.
 
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