14th Tank Platoon

[fishonjazz]

But we didn't screw us over, you see?

If we had missed playoffs and gotten the pick that year, we would have still owed Minnesota a top 12 protected pick the next year (2013 draft). Our pick was 14th in 2013 - would have gone to Minnesota. We only got Burke because we had the 14th pick (which Minny liked for Shabazz) *on top* of the GS pick.

That's just the short term thinking. There was garbage in that range in the 2012 draft. I just don't think people see this, they just think "omg we gave up our draft pick", not knowing we owed a draft pick... whose protections got weaker each year we didn't give it up. It was the best to give it up at the lowest possible point it could have gone.

With gs pick and our own.... both in lottery, we might have got lillard

 

[mellow]

With the tank in possible jeproday, other teams tanking strong and Jazzfanz conflicted, I thought it was time for a few catchy phrases.

No more rigging for wiggins, party for Jabari or scandal for randle.

Now it is:

Forget a franchise player instead draft Embiid.

#4 is not soon for Exum

Give our vets a start for Marcus Smart.

Win more than 9 for Wiley-Stein

30 wins doesn't scare us for Harris.

Boy, that makes me feel better.

 

[BTP]

Furthering the misery, Franchise players from 1980-2006 in picks 6-14:
Dirk, TMac, Reggie Miller, KJ, Karl Malone, Kobe, Clyde Drexler, Chris Mullin, Tim Hardaway.
Out of 234 picks you have to be lucky enough to get one of those 9 guys. It happens once every 3 years.

I can believe that the current core is good enough to get to the playoffs. I also believe that they are a major piece away from competing. For me, this is a franchise altering moment in time.

Trey, please stub your toe and come back next year. DL, DOOOOO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!

Back in the day you went to college for 3 or 4 years entering the league at age 21-23. This gives you a far more accurate estimate to predict success at the next level. Then from 2000 or sth the highschool to the pros started which ended in 2006. So better pencil out the franchise/potential franchise players selected since 2007 below the 5th pick.
2007: Marc Gasol(48th)
2008: Brook Lopez(10th), Roy Hibbert(17th)
2009: Steph Curry(9th)
2010: Gordon Hayward(Nah I'm just kidding), Paul George(10th)
2012: Damian Lillard(6th), Andre Drummond(9th)
2013: Trey Burke(OK I'm trying to fool you again), MCW(11th), Shabazz Muhammad(teh lulz), Giannis Adetokunbo(hurr durr), Dennis Schröder(Okay forget the 2013 section), Rudy Gobert(Nah I'm really serious about that one)

So it's not like you can't find a diamond in the rough with all the one and done guys. I think it's way more important to have a good culture, a good team architect who putts fitting pieces together(like a master puzzler), a good coach who teaches good defense and then a little bit of luck can't hurt as well. But per se just having the best player in the world doesn't help you. It takes guys willing to forfeit salary and make up for it with endorsements to give a team the chance to operate under the salary cap efficiently, then you need some luck in addition with injuries, chemistry, recruiting hungry/desperate veterans. It's so complex. But having the best player obviously won't hurt.

 

[spycam1]

With the tank in possible jeproday, other teams tanking strong and Jazzfanz conflicted, I thought it was time for a few catchy phrases.

No more rigging for wiggins, party for Jabari or scandal for randle.

Now it is:

Forget a franchise player instead draft Embiid.

#4 is not soon for Exum

Give our vets a start for Marcus Smart.

Win more than 9 for Wiley-Stein

30 wins doesn't scare us for Harris.

Boy, that makes me feel better.

You haven't been staying up to date on Embiid apparently. He's basically a lock to go top 3 and is in the discussion for #1 with Wiggins and Parker.

 

[infection]

You haven't been staying up to date on Embiid apparently. He's basically a lock to go top 3 and is in the discussion for #1 with Wiggins and Parker.

Good. Let's hope there are more of those that move up, too. And hopefully more Anthony Bennets and Cleveland Cavaliers to help pad our worsening draft position. Surely a few guys will impress with a good combine. Some GM will salivate over someone's measurements or vertical and they can have another 10 year reminder of why their franchise is where it's at.

 

[Fabtrey]

You haven't been staying up to date on Embiid apparently. He's basically a lock to go top 3 and is in the discussion for #1 with Wiggins and Parker.

it's too early. if randle goes crazy in march then what? taking young UK to the finals? and if wiggins struggle badly in march then what?


nobody is a lock.

only lock is parker being top 3.

 

[8]

it's too early. if randle goes crazy in march then what? taking young UK to the finals? and if wiggins struggle badly in march then what?


nobody is a lock.

only lock is parker being top 3.

You don't think Wiggins is a lock for top 3???

Finish your multiplication tables sonny-boy

 

[spycam1]

Toronto just beat OKC on the road.

Merry Christmas.

 

[♪alt13]

The Jazz are giving me the Blues.

 

[spycam1]

The Jazz are giving me the Blues.

Yup. I need a 5 game losing streak to cheer me up.

 

[Fabtrey]

You don't think Wiggins is a lock for top 3???

Finish your multiplication tables sonny-boy

embiid is the x-factor

he has emerged and he is moving up. hype can only get you so far. scouts actually do watch them play. it's all about play on the court because all of these guys have tremendous potential.


jabari parker = pretty much lock top 3. i don't care how poorly he may play in march, he is still the safest bet

randle = he was top 3 early in the season. his stock fluctuates. with strong march and strong nba 'combine' he is a strong top 3

wiggins = he was a lock #1 early in the season. but parker's strong play and wiggins lack of production has created many doubters. He can go as high as #1, but can fall all the way to #4.

embiid = is he hakeem? is he mutumbo? is he thabeet? regardless of what he becomes you can't teach 7fter with long arms and good enough athleticism. he has shown enough skill sets early in the season. He is still raw in my eyes, but potential on this guy is tremendous. if he continues make a good impression and show his skill sets, i can honestly see him going #2 right behind parker. guys like this is a hit or miss, but just look at the past history. there will always be a team who gambles on a guy with tremendous size especially in this centerless league.

so yes, wiggins is not a lock top 3. at least not in my eyes.

 

[Doublea]

Them Raptors though. All you have to do to win is trade Rudy Gay.