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Are you saying you wouldn't even take him if he dropped to #12? Just curious.

No. I meant I wouldn't take him at 6 under any circumstances. On talent, he's probably a 10 - 20 guy in any draft. He does a lot of things well. I don't dislike him. But I see him as a backup point in the league. At 12 I'd probably take him, but I'd look hard for anybody I thought had real upside first.
 
No. I meant I wouldn't take him at 6 under any circumstances. On talent, he's probably a 10 - 20 guy in any draft. He does a lot of things well. I don't dislike him. But I see him as a backup point in the league. At 12 I'd probably take him, but I'd look hard for anybody I thought had real upside first.

Ok, when you said "off your draft board", it threw me a little. :)
 
Terrence Jones had some great plays tonight, in addition to going 0 for 5 at the line. After being teased by AK all these years I don't think I can take another player who will inspire cheers followed by forehead slapping. He's young so maybe he'll figure it out. But I'd rather not take the chance.

the thing about terrence jones is he is kinda stuck on half court, and its obvious he cant post up against nba power forwards with his current body, and he cant dribble or create his own shot. I see him as a next Brandon Wright, if he doesnt fall down to 12, no need to pick him
 
I have not been a big fan of Terrence Jones simply because I think his true position in the NBA game is SF, yet his game is more suited for PF. He is years away from being a SF and I have my doubts he has the skills to ever become one. His dribble skills are average at best, his shooting mechanics are horrible and he doesn't seem to play hard all the time.

I guess if he is the BPA at 12 then you consider taking him as a project. However, I would actually try to trade the pick for a lower pick + another pick. I think there is some better value in the lower half of the draft and top of the second round. What I am saying is there isn't much of a difference between the 12th pick and the 20 something pick.

The one of the most impressive players in the tournament for me has been S. Mack out of Butler. I don't know if the kid is an NBA player but he seems to know how to play the game, can shoot and even runs the team well. The kid from VCU, Skeen seems like a better player than Terrence Jones does now. I guess the "potential" factor is used when evaluating Jones but right now both Mack and Skeen seem like better players. I guess I am just not that impressed with T. Jones. He could prove me wrong but I think the kid is 3 or 4 years away from being any good and he has the potential to be a bust if he doesn't improve his overall skills.
 
Kentucky has a bunch of players that could play for the Warriors or Hawks.

A bunch of tweeners and chuckers who are great athletes who don't have refined games
 
Another opinion piece on Barnes

This is from a paper in Iowa.

https://www.amestrib.com/articles/2...e/sports/hid21513sect_4196baa3cbc549aa84f.txt

La Gesse: Barnes should turn pro now

By Bobby La Gesse
Sports Editor
Published: Sunday, April 3, 2011 12:11 AM CDT
Harrison Barnes only needs to make one phone call when it comes to his NBA future.

Dial Craig Brackins.

Brackins will tell Barnes after a standout sophomore season, when Brackins burst onto the national scene by scoring 20.2 points and grabbing 9.5 rebounds, he was projected to be a lottery pick in 2009.

He returned to school. Defenses focused on him more. It was tougher for him to get good looks. His draft status dropped, and he went No. 21 in last year’s draft.

And it cost him money.

There really shouldn’t be much debate about Barnes decision. He needs to turn pro.

Barnes, who averaged 15.7 points and 5.8 rebounds at North Carolina this season, is projected to be a top-five pick by most draft experts if he comes out. A top-five pick in last year’s draft was guaranteed at worst, nearly $6 million.

That is too much money to pass up. That’s the kind of money creates financial security. That kind of money makes living the rest of your life a lot easier.

Really, it’s a decision a teenager shouldn’t have to make.

In an ideal world Barnes’ NBA decision comes down to if he’s ready to play pro ball yet. (And he certainly could use at least one more year of seasoning at North Carolina).

But that’s now how the NBA draft operates. It’s more about potential than production. It’s also about maximizing your own value.

Turning pro is more of a financial decision today than anything else. If Barnes doesn’t turn pro he could be making a huge fiscal mistake.

And he needs someone to tell him this.

The basic rule of thumb is if a player is a guaranteed lottery pick he should turn pro.

Brackins didn’t and he lost money because of it. If he went, say No. 11 in 2009, he would have signed a two-year, $4.2 million contract. Instead he got a two-year, $2.7 million contract a year later.

He lost more than $1.5 million. And that doesn’t include any additional money Brackins would lose if team options are picked up in the third and fourth years of both deals.

Same thing happened to Joakim Noah. Noah was the consensus No. 1 pick if he came out in 2007. He went back to Florida and fell to No. 9 in the draft the next year.

Yes, it worked out for Noah, who recently signed a $60 million contract extension with Chicago. But Noah is the exception, not the rule.

The NBA is littered with Chase Budinger’s and Josh McRobert’s, guys who were projected lottery picks at one point, but by the time they came out went in the second round. Or guys like Tyler Hansbrough, who watched their stock slip by staying in college as long as they did.

A players NBA draft status is a lot like the early stages of a relationship. You decide to ask someone out because there are plenty of things you like about them. But as you spend more time with them you see their faults and it may turn you off on them.

The longer a player stays in college the more problems NBA personnel find with your game.

With Barnes, the love started this year. People noticed his intelligence, hustle, his ability to take, and make big shots.

But if he returns, Barnes’ athleticism, which isn’t NBA elite, or his defense, which needs to improve, will get more attention.

And his draft position could fall.

It’s hard for Barnes to move up any more in the draft. History says players are much more likely to fall down a draft board than hold their position.

If that happens, Barnes could lose a lot more money than Brackins did.

Yes, Barnes could take out an insurance policy and return to North Carolina and enjoy college for another.

But why should he when the risk is just too great.
 
I have not been a big fan of Terrence Jones simply because I think his true position in the NBA game is SF, yet his game is more suited for PF. He is years away from being a SF and I have my doubts he has the skills to ever become one. His dribble skills are average at best, his shooting mechanics are horrible and he doesn't seem to play hard all the time.

I guess if he is the BPA at 12 then you consider taking him as a project. However, I would actually try to trade the pick for a lower pick + another pick. I think there is some better value in the lower half of the draft and top of the second round. What I am saying is there isn't much of a difference between the 12th pick and the 20 something pick.

The one of the most impressive players in the tournament for me has been S. Mack out of Butler. I don't know if the kid is an NBA player but he seems to know how to play the game, can shoot and even runs the team well. The kid from VCU, Skeen seems like a better player than Terrence Jones does now. I guess the "potential" factor is used when evaluating Jones but right now both Mack and Skeen seem like better players. I guess I am just not that impressed with T. Jones. He could prove me wrong but I think the kid is 3 or 4 years away from being any good and he has the potential to be a bust if he doesn't improve his overall skills.

The questions about Mack are can he play the PG defensively? Will he be able to finish in the paint against NBA players?

He has played SG for 3 years now. Is he a slow PG or a small SG?
 
The more I look at the prospects for the Jazz' 1st lottery pick the more I keep going back to my original impression - whoever is left out of either Barnes or Kanter.

At 12 they can do whatever falls - Burks, Fredette, Nolan, Knight.
 
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Might be best for the Jazz to pass on point guards this year and just go with Devin. Next year Marshall will be coming out and he is a pure PG in the mold of Jason Kidd and Deron Williams. The Jazz will have around 8-12 which should be plenty high enough to get him.
 
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