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If the Jazz get the 2nd pick somehow and are practically forced to take Williams, then this isn't bad. The thing I like about Williams the least are the Millsap implications. Can you really afford to have two players so similar and both being tweener-ish? Can you justify anyone else with the 2nd pick? And at the same time, can you afford to get rid of a proven very good player for what might be Evan Turner 2.0?

Roll of the dice.

The Jazz could try to find another team in the lottery who really wants Williams, make them adsorb Okur's contract for something that expires this year and their lottery pick.
 
If the Jazz get the 2nd pick somehow and are practically forced to take Williams, then this isn't bad. The thing I like about Williams the least are the Millsap implications. Can you really afford to have two players so similar and both being tweener-ish? Can you justify anyone else with the 2nd pick? And at the same time, can you afford to get rid of a proven very good player for what might be Evan Turner 2.0?

Roll of the dice.

So similar? Have you watched Williams play? Millsap has none of the ability to create off the dribble, go to the line in bunches, and range that Williams has. They're about the same height and can both rebound. That's about it.
 
So who would you take?

Biyombo if he's there. Not sure if he isn't. I'd seriously consider Jones there if Biyombo's taken. I don't want any part of a high pick on a PG-ish player unless it's Irving, though. I'd consider Kanter. Valanciunas doesn't project to be much more than maybe a rich man's Biedrins, and that doesn't excite me.
 
Biyombo if he's there. Not sure if he isn't. I'd seriously consider Jones there if Biyombo's taken. I don't want any part of a high pick on a PG-ish player unless it's Irving, though. I'd consider Kanter. Valanciunas doesn't project to be much more than maybe a rich man's Biedrins, and that doesn't excite me.

Okay, fair enough.
 
So similar? Have you watched Williams play? Millsap has none of the ability to create off the dribble, go to the line in bunches, and range that Williams has. They're about the same height and can both rebound. That's about it.

Millsap gets to the line at a good rate IN THE NBA. Millsap's become a good jumpshooter IN THE NBA. He's good from the high-post off the dribble or not IN THE NBA. Williams could be a smart, efficient Michael Beasley/Antawn Jamison or he could be Ryan Gomes. We really don't know. The fact that he's not terribly athletic or a physical specimen of any kind and doesn't appear to have a certain NBA position raise real questions, though, besides that one day my gut had a freak-out and told me that Williams might have a hard time in the NBA.

But I obviously can be very wrong there. Again, roll of the dice.
 
Biyombo if he's there. Not sure if he isn't. I'd seriously consider Jones there if Biyombo's taken. I don't want any part of a high pick on a PG-ish player unless it's Irving, though. I'd consider Kanter. Valanciunas doesn't project to be much more than maybe a rich man's Biedrins, and that doesn't excite me.

Valenciunas is Biedrins with a jump shot. That's actually one heck of a player. 92% FT shooter, would lead the NBA. No reason to believe it won't translate into a knock down mid range game. The Jazz will have to move up to get Jonas though, he will probably not be there at 6. So not going to waste too much time analyzing him.
 
Millsap gets to the line at a good rate IN THE NBA. Millsap's become a good jumpshooter IN THE NBA. He's good from the high-post off the dribble or not IN THE NBA. Williams could be a smart, efficient Michael Beasley/Antawn Jamison or he could be Ryan Gomes. We really don't know. The fact that he's not terribly athletic or a physical specimen of any kind and doesn't appear to have a certain NBA position raise real questions, though, besides that one day my gut had a freak-out and told me that Williams might have a hard time in the NBA.

But I obviously can be very wrong there. Again, roll of the dice.

Williams is pretty athletic.
 
Biyombo if he's there. Not sure if he isn't. I'd seriously consider Jones there if Biyombo's taken. I don't want any part of a high pick on a PG-ish player unless it's Irving, though. I'd consider Kanter. Valanciunas doesn't project to be much more than maybe a rich man's Biedrins, and that doesn't excite me.

I pretty much agree with every bit of this except I'm still gathering info on Valanciunas so he's still a possibility in my mind. DX has him rated so high I gotta keep giving him a 5th, 6th, 7th look....
 
Millsap gets to the line at a good rate IN THE NBA. Millsap's become a good jumpshooter IN THE NBA. He's good from the high-post off the dribble or not IN THE NBA. Williams could be a smart, efficient Michael Beasley/Antawn Jamison or he could be Ryan Gomes. We really don't know. The fact that he's not terribly athletic or a physical specimen of any kind and doesn't appear to have a certain NBA position raise real questions, though, besides that one day my gut had a freak-out and told me that Williams might have a hard time in the NBA.

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I really like him on that Jazz floor. I think he's a freak athlete and reminds me a lot of Blake Griffin. Both are fearless, strong, athletic, good rebounders, don't play the best D and are a little undersized except Derrick can shoot. Derrick is not quite as athletic as Blake but who is?? Blake can only play PF while D-will2 can play SF and PF IMO
 
Valenciunas is Biedrins with a jump shot. That's actually one heck of a player. 92% FT shooter, would lead the NBA. No reason to believe it won't translate into a knock down mid range game. The Jazz will have to move up to get Jonas though, he will probably not be there at 6. So not going to waste too much time analyzing him.

This does sound pretty nice. And he's more of a defensive player than Kanter, isn't he? He's skinnier but more focused on d - at least I think I remember reading that. Ugh, too many articles.
 
Millsap gets to the line at a good rate IN THE NBA. Millsap's become a good jumpshooter IN THE NBA. He's good from the high-post off the dribble or not IN THE NBA. Williams could be a smart, efficient Michael Beasley/Antawn Jamison or he could be Ryan Gomes. We really don't know. The fact that he's not terribly athletic or a physical specimen of any kind and doesn't appear to have a certain NBA position raise real questions, though, besides that one day my gut had a freak-out and told me that Williams might have a hard time in the NBA.

But I obviously can be very wrong there. Again, roll of the dice.

Again though, have you seen him play?

IN COLLEGE. So what that Millsap's done that IN THE NBA? We're going to fault Williams because he has not yet played in the league? All we have to go off of is his game play and this is what we know. Williams was number one in college at 8.71 free throw attempts per game. Millsap was 44th in the league at 4.4 attempts per game, though he did average 6.0, 8.2, and 6.2 his three years at LT. In that regard, they're both relentless. Millsap has no ability to create from the perimeter though. He has a face-up game, sure but the two are not the same. He can not play on the perimeter as both a true long distance gunner and a threat to penetrate and create off the dribble. That's one of Williams biggest strengths and it often translates to his frequent trips to the line. Williams shot around 65% from both the floor and three almost all year 'til a(n) (apparent) wrist injury slowed him some late in the season. And yet he still came in at around 59%/55%. That's scary efficiency. Regarding your comparisons of him to Jamison and Beasley, again, he has a much, much better ability to create off the dribble than either of those players has at all, despite being his elder by years and years. Beasley can post up and he can shoot but he's not a great, creative one-on-one perimeter player. Jamison was almost a pure 4 in college and shot just 27 threes in his entire career at NC. The majority of his game was in the post or as a Millsap type of player. Williams has not been limited to such. He posted up smaller players of course. But he also demonstrated a very strong, smooth stroke, a great ability to create, and an athleticism greater than anything Evan Turner ever showed. Seriously, I loved Turner but how many dunks did you see from him? This is my same problem with Kanter. The dude's 6'11" and almost never dunks and seems to struggle to get to the rim let alone play above it. In any case, Evan Turner had virtually no athletic plays in college. None. Watch Williams. It's explosive highlight after highlight after highlight. The kid's athletic. Now, as good as his first step supposedly is, I too wonder if he can get by NBA 3's. I think it would be in his best interests to lose some weight (five pounds?) and get quicker while still maintaining his strong frame. This would help him on both ends of the court...okay, I am too freakin' tired to type any more. I'm crashing. Peace.

Obviously I could be wrong too.
 
This does sound pretty nice. And he's more of a defensive player than Kanter, isn't he? He's skinnier but more focused on d - at least I think I remember reading that. Ugh, too many articles.

Remember he is only 18 and when he comes to the States he would be put on a lifting regime. Also when you look at his numbers compulate them per 40 and they are very impressive for an 18 year playing in a professional league. But most have him going top 5. He could possibly slip because of his contract issues.
 
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