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I like Reggie Jackson/Charlie Jenkins if the Jazz can acquire another pick. I would even consider the rumored Washington Trade 6, 18, 34 for #3 and change (CJ or Raja). At 6 I would draft Biyombo, 12 (Best SF left) and 18 (Jenkins or Jackson), 34 (Tyler, Mack, BPA)
 
I like Reggie Jackson/Charlie Jenkins if the Jazz can acquire another pick. I would even consider the rumored Washington Trade 6, 18, 34 for #3 and change (CJ or Raja). At 6 I would draft Biyombo, 12 (Best SF left) and 18 (Jenkins or Jackson), 34 (Tyler, Mack, BPA)

Jenkins, Jackson might be there at 34. Mack will be.
Tyler won't, so I wouldn't use the 18th on a PG. If you want to gamble on Tyler's upside you gotta take him with the 18th pick IMHO.
 
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That is amazing and sad all rolled into one.
We should be proud and embarassed at the same time.

Ok... carry on.
 
Find a way to parlay Bell, CJ, and Tomic's rights for late 1sts (or early 2nds) and grab Charles Jenkins and Jimmy Butler. Please.
 
Find a way to parlay Bell, CJ, and Tomic's rights for late 1sts (or early 2nds) and grab Charles Jenkins and Jimmy Butler. Please.

I like this idea. I like the idea of acquiring a late first or even a 2nd rounder, but not at the expense of moving down from 3 or 12. Keep those, but get rid of the dead weight. Just curious, can we exercise our option on CJ before the new CBA, which would allow us to trade him, or do we have to wait till the new one comes out?
 
I like this idea. I like the idea of acquiring a late first or even a 2nd rounder, but not at the expense of moving down from 3 or 12. Keep those, but get rid of the dead weight. Just curious, can we exercise our option on CJ before the new CBA, which would allow us to trade him, or do we have to wait till the new one comes out?

Damn it, I keep forgetting about that hitch. I don't see why they couldn't exercise the option before June 30th if they wanted to, but somehow I get the feeling they can't for some stupid reason.
 
Trading CJ for a late 1st is insane. The historical track record on those guys straight busting or becoming marginal role players is like 80 percent. Trading CJ in a deal to get an established player makes sense.
 
Trading CJ for a late 1st is insane. The historical track record on those guys straight busting or becoming marginal role players is like 80 percent. Trading CJ in a deal to get an established player makes sense.

But what if I'm done with CJ? You know, I'm in the FO and I'm saying, "Well, we'll pick up the option because not doing so is stupid as hell and we wanna get something out of him... so..."

I'd trade him for the pick that gets us Jenkins any day of the ****ing week.
 
But what if I'm done with CJ? You know, I'm in the FO and I'm saying, "Well, we'll pick up the option because not doing so is stupid as hell and we wanna get something out of him... so..."

I'd trade him for the pick that gets us Jenkins any day of the ****ing week.

It's about value. CJ's value is 10X greater than the chance to pick Jenkins. Only Jazz fan(z) think CJ is a worthless scrub. My guess is KOC hasn't picked up CJ's option because there isn't any practical reason to guarantee his salary yet. He could break his leg. He could do something stupid. No need to lock into the guarantee before you have to on almost any player. KOC could work out a trade for CJ today, guarantee his salary today, and make the trade today. I wouldn't be surprised to see CJ traded. I would be stunned if it was for a high first round pick.
 
It's about value. CJ's value is 10X greater than the chance to pick Jenkins. Only Jazz fan(z) think CJ is a worthless scrub. My guess is KOC hasn't picked up CJ's option because there isn't any practical reason to guarantee his salary yet. He could break his leg. He could do something stupid. No need to lock into the guarantee before you have to on almost any player. KOC could work out a trade for CJ today, guarantee his salary today, and make the trade today. I wouldn't be surprised to see CJ traded. I would be stunned if it was for a high first round pick.

Spot on. CJ is hated by Jazz fans because he is a shameless chucker, but his overall value as a player is higher than most people want to admit. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him traded, but the FO isn't going to be dumping him just for the sake of having him gone, like they should be doing with Bell.
 
It's about value. CJ's value is 10X greater than the chance to pick Jenkins. Only Jazz fan(z) think CJ is a worthless scrub. My guess is KOC hasn't picked up CJ's option because there isn't any practical reason to guarantee his salary yet. He could break his leg. He could do something stupid. No need to lock into the guarantee before you have to on almost any player. KOC could work out a trade for CJ today, guarantee his salary today, and make the trade today. I wouldn't be surprised to see CJ traded. I would be stunned if it was for a high first round pick.

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying.... but don't get shocked when we get less than high first round pick. That would surprise me.
 
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