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NAOS said:
but don't get shocked when we get less than high first round pick.
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I agree that it's not likely we'll get a high first rounder for him. Don't be shocked when he's still on the team. (;

I agree with Billy when it comes to trading CJ for an established player, but not necessarily straight up. I can see CJ being packaged with another player/pick. I also don't get how some fans fall in love with all these players and start dreaming about drafting 3 or 4 rookies out of this draft. If our FO has their heart set on a player who is projected lower, they will make a deal to trade down and stockpile assets. I would lick KEK's keyboard if Utah picks up more than 2 rookies in this draft.
 
NAOS said:
I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying.... but don't get shocked when we get less than high first round pick. That would surprise me.
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Sorry, "high" makes it sound like I'm implying lottery level. I meant "late." We could trade CJ for a late 1st. It would just be foolish to do it.
 
freakazoid said:
Spot on. CJ is hated by Jazz fans because he is a shameless chucker, but his overall value as a player is higher than most people want to admit. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him traded, but the FO isn't going to be dumping him just for the sake of having him gone, like they should be doing with Bell.
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Yeah, meant late, not high, but we agree on this. Jazz fans mistake their fatigue with CJ for what other teams perceive of his ability.

To other GM's who aren't emotionally beaten down by CJ's development he's a guy who has done things for stretches that a lot of players in the league can't do. He can be a terrific scorer. He's also a pretty decent passer and showed an ability to drive last year. Inconsistency at his age is not perceived to be a major problem because no one, except Jazzfanz, would doubt there is still upside potential to his game.
 
freakazoid said:
I agree that it's not likely we'll get a high first rounder for him. Don't be shocked when he's still on the team. (;

I agree with Billy when it comes to trading CJ for an established player, but not necessarily straight up. I can see CJ being packaged with another player/pick. I also don't get how some fans fall in love with all these players and start dreaming about drafting 3 or 4 rookies out of this draft. If our FO has their heart set on a player who is projected lower, they will make a deal to trade down and stockpile assets. I would lick KEK's keyboard if Utah picks up more than 2 rookies in this draft.
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Agree again. I very much doubt KOC is looking for lateral moves on CJ. But I could see him going in a larger move for a Granger type player. CJ's trade value as I see it is as a sweetener with one of the draft picks for a more established vet. But with one cheap year on his deal, and no veterans on the roster at his position, I'd be surprised if he isn't back.
 
BENTLEY said:
Jenkins, Jackson might be there at 34. Mack will be.
Tyler won't, so I wouldn't use the 18th on a PG. If you want to gamble on Tyler's upside you gotta take him with the 18th pick IMHO.
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Most draft boards that I've seen Tyler is at the bottom of the first round 30 to 32 picks. Unless he has moved up there is a chance he drops a little depending how the draft goes. Sometimes guys are pushed down a little or they go up a little. It will be interesting to see where he goes. I think he is high risk/reward kid.
 
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Just out of curiosity folks, is there a link to an in depth analysis on the most successful picks of 2010? I know Wall lived up to the number 1 pick, but I was just wondering who else lived up to their expectations or who just completely failed. I would also like to know within the last five years how well have the 3rd and 12 picks have done in the nba.
 
cowhide said:
Most draft boards that I've seen Tyler is at the bottom of the first round 30 to 32 picks. Unless he has moved up there is a chance he drops a little depending how the draft goes. Sometimes guys are pushed down a little or they go up a little. It will be interesting to see where he goes. I think he is high risk/reward kid.
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Yeah, that's where Tyler's likely to go. He might jump into the 20s, but I'm comfortable he'll be there at 18 (I think).
Pick 34? I think it's very questionable he falls that far, no matter what the mocks say now.
And are the guys at 18 that much better than those at 34 that you don't mind losing the Tyler gamble? I mean, there's still some quality guys to grab @ 34 - Butler, maybe Bertans, a few decent PGs, some people really like Chandler Parsons and he'll definitely still be there.

I mean, I guess @ 18 you might prefer to take a gamble on Brooks - if he's still there. People like Singleton and maybe he falls to 18 but I doubt it - his hype is infectious. But I'd rather gamble on Brooks before Singleton anyway. And I'd probably still reach for Tyler before Brooks. But maybe not. I dunno.

All this speculation is supposing the Jazz trade with Washington which may not happen, but this is fun anyway. It gives us some new stuff to discuss. I love fiction.
 
After 6 years and every excuse in the world now used up and invalid, CJ Miles still has upside? I hope other teams don't have access to any information about him, because it doesn't take a lot of research to see that Miles is a chucker and at his best is wildly inconsistent.

I've defended him longer than most have, but I would be shocked if Miles' value was anything more than #20 in a bad draft.
 
I'm not a Vesely hater. I should clarify I wouldn't mind him at 12 now. He just isn't going to be there.
Top 3 is not where you get an "energy player".
 
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