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2011 draft.....

Betzza said:
Hopefully we can package our two lottery picks this year for Minnesota's pick they got from Memphis (around #20) this year and their first for next year (giving us 3 probable lotto picks next year). Or something similar, a better deal for us but therefore less likely would be to package our 2 together and get the Cavs pick they got from the Clippers (around #8 depending on the lottery) and get their first next year as well.
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I believe minny did some stupid trade years ago for marco jaric giving next years unprotected to LAC. Clipps may be finally rising up.
 
My question to you guys. The Jazz get the #1 pick. You don't want Williams because he is too small and you are too smart to take a player that will start at PF at six seven. I don't think there ever be another Barkley, and as a GM you don't want to find him. Do you take Kyrie Irving? The reason I ask this, is because when you draft a #1 pick, you are drafting a max player in a couple of years. Do you really want to go back to having the best player on your team be a pg? Do you want to invest over 100 million dollars in a pg? Or do you do everything you can to trade this pick.

While I read some arguments for pg's a few pages back, I still don't know if you draft one with the number one pick, unless you are sure he is Isaiah Thomas or Derrick Rose. Is Irving either of these? If he is as good as Deron, Stockton, Paul, Kidd, Nash, etc I don't know if I take him with the number one pick. Even Rose hasn't won a title yet, and you could argue that Chicago's defense is just as valuable as Rose is.

Thoughts? Am I up in the night, or is this the absolute worst draft to win the lottery in?
 
green said:
My question to you guys. The Jazz get the #1 pick. You don't want Williams because he is too small and you are too smart to take a player that will start at PF at six seven. I don't think there ever be another Barkley, and as a GM you don't want to find him. Do you take Kyrie Irving? The reason I ask this, is because when you draft a #1 pick, you are drafting a max player in a couple of years. Do you really want to go back to having the best player on your team be a pg? Do you want to invest over 100 million dollars in a pg? Or do you do everything you can to trade this pick.

While I read some arguments for pg's a few pages back, I still don't know if you draft one with the number one pick, unless you are sure he is Isaiah Thomas or Derrick Rose. Is Irving either of these? If he is as good as Deron, Stockton, Paul, Kidd, Nash, etc I don't know if I take him with the number one pick. Even Rose hasn't won a title yet, and you could argue that Chicago's defense is just as valuable as Rose is.

Thoughts? Am I up in the night, or is this the absolute worst draft to win the lottery in?
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If the problem is a PG will be worth the MAX in 4 years, you don't have a problem.
 
green said:
My question to you guys. The Jazz get the #1 pick. You don't want Williams because he is too small and you are too smart to take a player that will start at PF at six seven. I don't think there ever be another Barkley, and as a GM you don't want to find him. Do you take Kyrie Irving? The reason I ask this, is because when you draft a #1 pick, you are drafting a max player in a couple of years. Do you really want to go back to having the best player on your team be a pg? Do you want to invest over 100 million dollars in a pg? Or do you do everything you can to trade this pick.

While I read some arguments for pg's a few pages back, I still don't know if you draft one with the number one pick, unless you are sure he is Isaiah Thomas or Derrick Rose. Is Irving either of these? If he is as good as Deron, Stockton, Paul, Kidd, Nash, etc I don't know if I take him with the number one pick. Even Rose hasn't won a title yet, and you could argue that Chicago's defense is just as valuable as Rose is.

Thoughts? Am I up in the night, or is this the absolute worst draft to win the lottery in?
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Irving is by far the best prospect in this draft. You take him, without a doubt. You can trade Harris at the deadline, or let him play part of his minutes at the 2 (which he should be able to do against opposing teams' second unit).

If the Jazz were to trade DWill and get Favors, Irving, Harris, and GSpick '12 in return.... that just might go down as one of the best trades in the past 2 decades (although nothing will touch the Gasol fleecing).
 
NAOS said:
Irving is by far the best prospect in this draft. You take him, without a doubt. You can trade Harris at the deadline, or let him play part of his minutes at the 2 (which he should be able to do against opposing teams' second unit).

If the Jazz were to trade DWill and get Favors, Irving, Harris, and GSpick '12 in return.... that just might go down as one of the best trades in the past 2 decades (although nothing will touch the Gasol fleecing).
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Remember Memphis did get Marc Gasol and the extra cap space allowed them to get Z. Randolph. So the trade is not nearly as bad when you look at it from the Memphis POV.
 
NCJazz said:
Remember Memphis did get Marc Gasol and the extra cap space allowed them to get Z. Randolph. So the trade is not nearly as bad when you look at it from the Memphis POV.
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I usually dig your insights, but this line is pretty weak. The trade made the Lakers the instant powerhouse, while the Grizzlies just barely won their first playoff game in franchise history. I'll take Pau over Marc and Randolph 8 days a week. And, BTW, nothing would have NECESSARILY precluded them getting one of these players while keeping Pau... if I remember correctly.

Mostly it was just the ******** rhetoric surrounding letting Pau go. You don't clear cap space for a mega-star by letting a mega-star in his prime walk for nothing.
 
Plus, we now actually have some bigs that our going after shoots, to go along with a PG. With the number 1 pick, I'd take Irving and just see what happens in 3 or 4 years. And if the Jazz our legit contenders, you keep the team together even if its for the Max.
 
I can see both side of the arguement about the Gasol trade. I now like it for the Lakers (I haven't the last 2 years) because they signed Bryant for 30 Million a year, for the next 3 years. Which, during that time, the Lakers don't have the pieces or the picks to truelly upgrade there roster. While, Memphis will be contending for a Championship, for the next 5 years, once they lock up Gasol and Battera
 
Jazzfanz said:
I can see both side of the arguement about the Gasol trade. I now like it for the Lakers (I haven't the last 2 years) because they signed Bryant for 30 Million a year, for the next 3 years. Which, during that time, the Lakers don't have the pieces or the picks to truelly upgrade there roster. While, Memphis will be contending for a Championship, for the next 5 years, once they lock up Gasol and Battera
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just wait until LA pulls another heist and the Grizz fall into the abyss of bad management. Even if they don't, their status as contenders is a LONG way off (even if they beat the Spurs).
 
NCJazz said:
Remember Memphis did get Marc Gasol and the extra cap space allowed them to get Z. Randolph. So the trade is not nearly as bad when you look at it from the Memphis POV.
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My nit to pick with the trade has always been the NBA allowing the Lakers to include Aaron McKie in the deal, even though he was an assistant coach with Philadelphia. A week later, the Jazz tried to trade Greg Ostertag and a #1 to Seattle for Kurt Thomas but the league rejected the deal because Ostertag had filed his retirement papers. Too bad he wasn't just an assistant coach for another team, instead.
 
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