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margodydek said:
Really getting off topic here, but here is a great article about the impending lockout by Larry Coon:

https://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=5602845&pg=3
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Found my answer:

This is not to say the players who sign new contracts or extensions under the current agreement are necessarily safe. The current rules require a player's salary in the first year of an extension to not exceed the maximum salary. This determination is made in the year the extension takes effect. The extensions for Bryant, Gasol and (potentially) Anthony won't take effect until the next CBA is in place, so these players could find themselves constrained by a new maximum salary rule that provides for considerably less salary than they are currently scheduled to earn.

It is possible for existing salaries to be slashed across the board. It has been the NBA's practice to grandfather existing contracts into new agreements with new restrictions (such as further limitations on salaries or contract lengths) applying only to contracts signed after the new CBA takes effect. The league and players association are under no obligation to do this in the future, and could agree that new limitations apply retroactively to existing contracts or that all existing salaries be rolled-back by a given percentage to meet new revenue sharing targets. That happened with the NHL in conjunction with its 2004-05 labor dispute, in which the sides agreed to roll back salaries in all existing contracts by 24 percent.

The upshot of this is that locking in long-term deals under the current agreement -- either via a new contract or an extension -- could end up being for naught. Since we won't know what the new rules will be until we get there, it's still prudent for players to get what they can under the terms of the current CBA.
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So yes current contracts can be affected by the new CBA. Interesting
 
NAOS said:
wow. For a while I had NO DOUBT this dude would be there at #12. With this draft, it seems like we should abandon prediction.
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Just because the guy who runs the ESPN draft board probably woke up today and just said "To hell with all those Euro ******** who aren't attending the combine, I'm moving Leonard to #5. Suck on that Jan. Eat my junk Bismack. Smell my feet Jonas."
 
NAOS said:
wow. For a while I had NO DOUBT this dude would be there at #12. With this draft, it seems like we should abandon prediction.
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Just because the guy who runs the ESPN draft board probably woke up today and just said "To hell with all those Euro ******** who aren't attending the combine, I'm moving Leonard to #5. Suck on that Jan. Eat my junk Bismack. Smell my feet Jonas."
 
NAOS said:
wow. For a while I had NO DOUBT this dude would be there at #12. With this draft, it seems like we should abandon prediction.
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I agree, this draft is SO weak, I can definitely see the Jazz drafting Kawhi Leonard at #6. The Jazz need a small forward, since Gordon Hayward is going to be playing shooting guard next season (if there is one). Leonard is a Jazz type of player, he comes from a winning tradition at San Diego St. with a great coach and those are the type of players that KOC likes. Huge hands, long arms, and Chad Ford has been watching him workout in Las Vegas (which is probably why he has moved up to #5) saying he is shooting lights-out, also that he can improve on things very easily which is great as well. One of his great strengths is a his defense, he was the one who was put on Jimmer. His wingspan and large hands help him out a lot on the defensive side of the ball. I am starting to like the thought of a Hayward and Leonard tandem for the SG and SF positions.

Kawhi Leonard is 6'7 and weighs 225 lbs, he averaged 15.5 PPG, 10.6 RPG, 2.5 APG, 1.4 SPG and shot 29% from three this year, I know that is not very good, but compared to 20% in his freshman season 29% is a great improvement. Leonard is only a sophmore so there is room for improvement, he seems like a small forward in the mold of Shawn Marion and Gerald Wallace in the NBA.
 
I know a lot of people don't like bleacher report but here it is nonetheless

The Utah Jazz are my current favorite to end up with the best draft.

The Jazz have the New Jersey Nets first round pick and a lottery pick of their own. They also have Devin Harris, who may be a valuable trade piece, and Mehmet Okur's expiring contract.

The Jazz auditioned last year's first round pick, Gordon Hayward, toward the end of the season and he actually played pretty well. They have their starting frontcourt filled with Al Jefferson and Paul Milsap, but could use another post presence to come in with the improving Derrick Favors.

With their two picks, the Jazz should take a point guard/shooting guard and find a backup big man. Here's the top 5 fits for Utah.

1. Kyrie Irving- If they land the No. 1 spot, they should definitely take Irving. Start Irving and trade away Harris to get a backup big man and some money.

2. Enes Kanter- If the Jazz end up at No. 3, which is a realistic possibility, Kanter would give them one of the more dangerous four men frontcourts in the league.

3. Brandon Knight- Same idea as Irving. Knight takes precedence over Harris.

4. Donatas Motiejunas- I would love this pick for the Jazz. It's going to take a few years for the 7'0'' Motiejunas to click, but he wouldn't have to be an impact player immediately with Jefferson, Millsap and Favors in front of him.

5. Alec Burks- The Utah Jazz have not had a high level, scoring shooting guard since...Pete Maravich? In the Jerry Sloan years the Jazz always had great point guards and good post play, but shooting guard tended to be more defensive focused. Burks could be a new look for the Jazz.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/698542-nba-draft-lottery-2011-order-odds-predictions-and-updates-on-the-prospects/entry/81230-nba-draft-lottery-utah-jazz-could-have-two-picks-fall-in-the-top-10
 
Cousinsfan11 said:
I agree, this draft is SO weak, I can definitely see the Jazz drafting Kawhi Leonard at #6. The Jazz need a small forward, since Gordon Hayward is going to be playing shooting guard next season (if there is one). Leonard is a Jazz type of player, he comes from a winning tradition at San Diego St. with a great coach and those are the type of players that KOC likes. Huge hands, long arms, and Chad Ford has been watching him workout in Las Vegas (which is probably why he has moved up to #5) saying he is shooting lights-out, also that he can improve on things very easily which is great as well. One of his great strengths is a his defense, he was the one who was put on Jimmer. His wingspan and large hands help him out a lot on the defensive side of the ball. I am starting to like the thought of a Hayward and Leonard tandem for the SG and SF positions.

Kawhi Leonard is 6'7 and weighs 225 lbs, he averaged 15.5 PPG, 10.6 RPG, 2.5 APG, 1.4 SPG and shot 29% from three this year, I know that is not very good, but compared to 20% in his freshman season 29% is a great improvement. Leonard is only a sophmore so there is room for improvement, he seems like a small forward in the mold of Shawn Marion and Gerald Wallace in the NBA.
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Wasn't that the game jimmer went for 43?
 
Xthren said:
I would rather have singleton over Leonard
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I think I would too. Although I'm intrigued to hear more about Leonard's impressive play the past two days in Vegas, with trainer Joe Abunassar of Impact Basketball. My heart is set on NO ONE. I have not been interested in Leonard at all yet, but Chad Ford's raving has piqued my interest. I'd be ok drafting Leonard if he really will turn out to be a Gerald Wallace-like stud.
 
Chad Ford on Kawhi Leonard in Las Vegas:

I spent the last two days with trainer Joe Abunassar, of Impact Basketball in Vegas, looking at a number of first-round prospects.

Abunassar has a great track record with clients like Kevin Garnett, Chauncey Billups, Danny Granger, Rudy Gay and many others. Once again this year he has a whopping 20-plus prospects in his gym preparing for the draft.

Kawhi Leonard is a big-time prospect

I was blown away by Leonard at the workouts. Not only is his physical profile impressive (huge hands, long wing span, NBA body), but also he's much more skilled than your typical high-energy forward.

Leonard has been working on his jump shot since the season ended and was stroking it from NBA 3-point range the two days I was in the gym. And he demonstrated excellent ball-handling skills for a player his size -- both are prerequisites for an NBA small forward. He also has the ability to guard the 2, 3 and 4 at the next level.

Leonard proved to be a real gym rat as well. He was the first guy in the gym and the last one to leave both days I was there. On Tuesday I arrived at 9 a.m. and left at 5:30 -- Leonard was there the whole time working on various things; he must have shot 1,000 jumpers.

If he keeps shooting the ball like he did Tuesday and Wednesday, I believe he could end up being a top-5 pick in the draft. We've moved him up to No. 5 on our Big Board after seeing what he brings to the table.
 
Cousinsfan11 said:
Chad Ford on Kawhi Leonard in Las Vegas:

I spent the last two days with trainer Joe Abunassar, of Impact Basketball in Vegas, looking at a number of first-round prospects.

Abunassar has a great track record with clients like Kevin Garnett, Chauncey Billups, Danny Granger, Rudy Gay and many others. Once again this year he has a whopping 20-plus prospects in his gym preparing for the draft.

Kawhi Leonard is a big-time prospect

I was blown away by Leonard at the workouts. Not only is his physical profile impressive (huge hands, long wing span, NBA body), but also he's much more skilled than your typical high-energy forward.

Leonard has been working on his jump shot since the season ended and was stroking it from NBA 3-point range the two days I was in the gym. And he demonstrated excellent ball-handling skills for a player his size -- both are prerequisites for an NBA small forward. He also has the ability to guard the 2, 3 and 4 at the next level.

Leonard proved to be a real gym rat as well. He was the first guy in the gym and the last one to leave both days I was there. On Tuesday I arrived at 9 a.m. and left at 5:30 -- Leonard was there the whole time working on various things; he must have shot 1,000 jumpers.

If he keeps shooting the ball like he did Tuesday and Wednesday, I believe he could end up being a top-5 pick in the draft. We've moved him up to No. 5 on our Big Board after seeing what he brings to the table.
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If the Jazz draft Jan friggin Vesely over Leonard it will be a sad day.
 
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