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billyshelby said:
This is kind of my point. The offense didn't stop when Al had the ball in his hands, it never ran. I'd be on your team if I could remember lots of times Al missed open cutters while he focused on his shot. But that rarely happened.

Last year, we ran the O for 14 seconds. When the cuts didn't work (the most telling reason Bell is a horrible fit in our offense), the ball went to Deron or Al (on the starting unit) and they made something happen. Al's supposed inability to pass really isn't the issue because the other working parts didn't work.
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BillyShelby- Don't waste your time with Numberica, he HATES BIG AL
 
Beantown said:
The term blackhole is used for players that have no offense, many people used it when talking about Brewer on the Jazz.
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Nah, since something that goes into a black hole is never coming back,it references when you give a player the ball and he is not going to pass it back to anyone.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Anyway, we don't agree on Jefferson, and there is nothing you can say to change my mind and there's nothing I can say to change yours. All I will say to tail this discussion is that Favors has a lot of room to grow and needs opportunities, and Gasol is playing 3rd fiddle in Memphis as a very young player as well. I don't think you can argue that Jefferson is an ideal partner to help Favors grow, but that's just an opinion I guess and I don't want to derail anymore.

Let's talk about free agents
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You are aware that Marc Gasol is the same age as Al Jefferson? Or maybe you meant young in terms of experience.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
You are aware that Marc Gasol is the same age as Al Jefferson? Or maybe you meant young in terms of experience.
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Experience. And FWIW, he hasn't played as a first or second option in the NBA yet, in addition to never having had a significant injury. In addition to being bigger. In addition to being a more complete basketball player.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Experience. And FWIW, he hasn't played as a first or second option in the NBA yet, in addition to never having had a significant injury. In addition to being bigger. In addition to being a more complete basketball player.
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Well, I guess if someone was a Jefferson homer, you could spin that argument the other way and say Jefferson has only had 1 year of experience where he wasn't the complete focal point of the offense (besides his early years in Boston). Maybe getting more experience on a team that plays more like a team will help him grow into a more complete player.
 
Or, he's spent too much time disregarding the importance of team and is an old dog attempting to learn new tricks (and in the scheme of things, Al is not that young. Seven years in the league and however many minutes is seven years in the league and that amount of minutes. Passing is as much or more about timing and precision as it is the pure decision to pass. Al is not old, but for a guy still learning the basics of the game, he's ancient).

Gasol might not ever score 20 PPG, but I'd take that bet over Al learning how to play basketball outside of one-on-one in the post, shooting from 15 feet, or rebound without showing any kind of fundamental skill.



I wonder if people are more sick of reading this or if I'm more sick of talking about it.
 
billyshelby said:
I'd be more worried about a frontcourt that couldn't score than one that wouldn't pass. But to play along, I think Al is going to improve a lot as a passer. The reason I think that is because he's a willing passer and a team player even more than Boozer. He's just never played in a system that A) required him to do it and B) where there were actual passing options.

I'd love for Locke to do something useful and analyze all our offensive possessions after 14 seconds on the shot clock had elapsed. In the first 14, the ball often went down low to Al and he either did his work in the post or passed it back out to the perimeter. In the last 10, he frequently wound up with the ball in his hands while nobody did anything. Consequently, Al 'can't pass.'
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Sorry, I don't buy it. Jefferson had just 1.8 assists per game last year and that's in 35.9 minutes per game. Hell, he has averaged just 1.3 for his career in 29.8 minutes per contest. Dude's a black hole of monumental proportions. At least Boozer has averaged 2.5 per game for his career and in his seasons with Utah where he was most injury-free, he averaged 3.2, 3.0 and 2.9 per game, far better than anything Jefferson's shown.

The first 40 games this year are make or break for me with Al. He needs to appear in noticeably better shape, get up and down the court better, jump out to something like 10+ rebounds a game and 2+ assists per game over that span, AND show a better commitment to team defense for me to have any faith in him. If he's done that, he's shown me a commitment to himself and the team. If not, he's the same old guy he's always been. A black hole who doesn't show the work ethic and aptitude for team ball that is necessary to win in this league.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Or, he's spent too much time disregarding the importance of team and is an old dog attempting to learn new tricks (and in the scheme of things, Al is not that young. Seven years in the league and however many minutes is seven years in the league and that amount of minutes. Passing is as much or more about timing and precision as it is the pure decision to pass. Al is not old, but for a guy still learning the basics of the game, he's ancient).

Gasol might not ever score 20 PPG, but I'd take that bet over Al learning how to play basketball outside of one-on-one in the post, shooting from 15 feet, or rebound without showing any kind of fundamental skill.



I wonder if people are more sick of reading this or if I'm more sick of talking about it.
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I guess it depends on if you are glass half full, or a glass half empty kind of guy. Or, in your case, if you just really hate Jefferson. Ha
 
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