Darkwing Duck
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Why was the bolded RJ not in red?
Is that a sign or a message or something?
Is that a sign or a message or something?
*****2013 Training Camp Updates and Discussion Thread*****
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Sexual Favors
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Haha, no. It's my iPad not cooperating w/ the site, so I gave up.
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A terrible solution to a problem that many teams make. I'm not sure what your argument is. Would you rather have Burks start? Or someone else coming in at the three?
Personally, I want to try Burks as the 6th man. Whether this means throwing in either Clark, or Rush in the starting lineup or Marv is definitely worth thinking about. Marv would make a great stretch-4 off the bench though
Sneakers
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I would definitely like Burks to start. I mean, he never has! And now we're not going to do it because it maybe, just maybe, will create a problem with touches?
What if he's a good defender / complimentary player? What if we sub out Hayward first and give Burks more of a feature? What if... who the hell knows what happens because we've never done it. And now we're gonna stop ourselves from trying it because there's a chance it doesn't work re: touches? What if it does work and there isn't a problem? Overthinking 101.
What if he's a good defender / complimentary player? What if we sub out Hayward first and give Burks more of a feature? What if... who the hell knows what happens because we've never done it. And now we're gonna stop ourselves from trying it because there's a chance it doesn't work re: touches? What if it does work and there isn't a problem? Overthinking 101.
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I think Burks simply wants more playing time, and a bigger stamp on this offense just as much. Not to mention the fact that hell probably be stoked with finishing games as well. Harden and Ginobili both didn't have problems with this and they're both way better than Burks.
What I would do, is start Burks from the get-go-- just to show him that our team has lots of confidence in him. But slowly bring him off the bench, as his touches increases. A la 2013 Hayward. It worked out well for him, I think. He ended up coming back because of zero competent playmaking amongst starters, but Burks won't have that problem.
then he'll finish games-- which players typically value more than starting.
Why not make him our 6th man, and give him more playing time where he has the reigns 100%?
We are gonna see how he performs with the starters because 6th men usually finish out games. You're being over-dramatic about the significance of 'starting', and refuse to take into account the incredible benefit of having Burks as 6th man (if he's up for it).
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Gonna take most NBA coaches' opinion on the matter over yours.
Yet his stats were better. Hmm. Interesting. Is it perhaps because he had more of a stamp on the offense when playing with the second unit?
Surely that can't be it.
Sneakers
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Nice cop out.
LOL. Or is it because he was a third year player, boosted by his experience starting for much of the previous year? We can do this all day.
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Sorry dala, but I agree with this.
This years SHOULD be lots of fun regardless of wins and losses.
If corbin starts jeffy or marvin or plays those guys lots of minutes then the fun diminishes AND we probably still don't win any more games than we would just playing the youth big minutes
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Great post
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To me the whole "touches" arguement is lame.
Kanter favors hayward and burks will all get more touches than they ever have before this year so its nothing to worry about.
Remember bigal is gone and we are suppossedly going with the youth this season so I don't think anybody will be complaining about touches if burks starts all damn year
Kanter favors hayward and burks will all get more touches than they ever have before this year so its nothing to worry about.
Remember bigal is gone and we are suppossedly going with the youth this season so I don't think anybody will be complaining about touches if burks starts all damn year
Eaton was listed at 7'4". I don't remember how much he weighed but he was a massive man. I respected Mark for his work ethic. He was absolutely horrible in college and when he came to the Jazz all he did was foul and block shots. In his prime he was the best shot blocker (mostly due to his size). He always had terrible hands and his offense was limited but he was the anchor on the defensive end. It was too bad his body broke down ending his career.
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we will agree to disagree.
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Not a cop-out. Just telling you that most people who do basketball for a living would think that your "6th men aren't a big deal" argument is foolish at best.
Of course that had something to do with it. But what I'm SAYING is that clearly him accepting a role off the bench did not stunt his game in any sense. In fact, some could definitely argue that playing with that second unit as their main offensive option made him a better player.
And when you consider the alternative (spending an entire season doing post entry passes, and camping on the three point line after Al gets doubled) then it makes even more sense.
"I can do this all day".
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This isn't about minutes dude. Marv is gonna get his 20-24 regardless.
Would you rather have him get it at the expense of Burks playing third fiddle (at best)? Or does it seem like a better idea to give Burks the reigns of the bench, and continue to grow his playmaking, and facilitating skills?
The choice is quite obvious IMO.
Sneakers
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Huh? Lol bro. Where did I say 6th man didn't matter? What I said was that "****ty starter tokenism" is a bad idea. And that we shouldn't assume Burks would have problem gelling in the starting unit. Please point this out to me where I said 6th man is useless in quotes. Strawman strawman strawman!
I can buy this. But at the same time, you're making a great point for me... Big Al isn't on the team anymore. There are no indications that the majority of our starting offense is going to involve freezing out the wing players. As good as Kanter and Favors are, and Kanter especially in the post, I can't see out offense being throw it into the post and camp style anymore. And if it is, Corbin will be gone before the season is over.
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I don't think there will really be "fiddles" on this team so start your best 5 (I think burks is in there) and see what happens.
You seem to think burks would be the third fiddle..... I think that no one knows who the go to guy will be so let the core 5 start together and lets find out.
Maybe burks ends up being the #1 scoring option in the starting unit.
I just think its unwise to label these guys yet and say burks is a 6th man who will demand touches and need the ball in his hands.... maybe burks will emerge as a defensives stopper, facilitator (he has played more point guard in the nba than any in th core 5), hustle guy, or garbage man (he seems like a great offensive rebounder for his position).
No one knows yet who will take the most shots or who will evolve into what role (this season is about finding these things out) so lets just put the young lotto picks in the starting lineup together (nice that they all play a different position btw) and see what happens.
Open yo mind dala
