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freakazoid said:
Sooo... BYU still has a shot at the title this year, ya know, like that one time?
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BYU could go undefeated for 10 straight years and not have another shot at a title under the current system (which is good). But the system is still broken (despite the obvious correctness of my 1st statement). ;)
 
gregbroncs said:
BYU could go undefeated for 10 straight years and not have another shot at a title under the current system
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It all depends on thier schedule.

Notre dame will be in the playoff if they go undefeated and maybe even if they have one loss.
 
fishonjazz said:
It all depends on thier schedule.
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Exactly. Assuming BYU stays independent, it all hangs on the schedule. We'll see what they can do... it's looking like this season's weak schedule is an anomaly and the schedules will toughen up. If BYU has a Big Five-comparable schedule (let's say top 30-35 in the country) and goes undefeated, then they absolutely will have a shot at the title. Particularly since nearly everyone feels that the playoffs will expand to eight teams in the not-too-distant future.
 
colton said:
Exactly. Assuming BYU stays independent, it all hangs on the schedule. We'll see what they can do... it's looking like this season's weak schedule is an anomaly and the schedules will toughen up. If BYU has a Big Five-comparable schedule (let's say top 30-35 in the country) and goes undefeated, then they absolutely will have a shot at the title. Particularly since nearly everyone feels that the playoffs will expand to eight teams in the not-too-distant future.
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I would have agreed with this 4 years ago but now I completely disagree. BYU is not keeping up with the Jones' of college football. We always talk about what makes BYU different and how those differences make things such as recruiting much more challenging for BYU.

I mentioned the MWC years a few pages ago, but let's revisit that. In the 80's when BYU was putting a stamp on their legacy, schools like Utah and TCU were afterthoughts. Fast fwd to the MWC years and BYU was never able to replicate the success of those two schools. Why? Is it coaching? Is it talent and speed? Is it both?

As I've said before, BYU is in a rock and a hard place. Either they play a weak schedule, go undefeated and nobody cares, or they play a schedule so hard that there's no way they go undefeated with their current talent pool. Taysom is a special players and sometimes when you have a special player, especially at QB, they mask other weaknesses. BYU's D looked awful before Hill went down and now that he's gone, nothing about that team looks special at all with the exception of Jamal Williams.

Translation: They're not very good. Just like Utah hasn't been good enough to compete in the PAC consistently. IMO, for BYU to be a legit threat for a 4 or 8 team playoff they need to get in a P5 conference. Fair or not, it immediately gives them a better perception with voters. It will also help them with recruiting and make them better. Imagine them going into a non LDS 5 star QB's house and saying: "We're BYU. Steve Young and Jimmy Mac played here. We have an NC and a Heisman winner. Come play with us and you'll get a chance to compete for Big 12 titles, New Years bowls, and spots in the playoffs".

Until they get that, what you've seen the last 4-5 years is exactly what you're going to keep getting.
 
jazzman12 said:
I would have agreed with this 4 years ago but now I completely disagree. BYU is not keeping up with the Jones' of college football. We always talk about what makes BYU different and how those differences make things such as recruiting much more challenging for BYU.

I mentioned the MWC years a few pages ago, but let's revisit that. In the 80's when BYU was putting a stamp on their legacy, schools like Utah and TCU were afterthoughts. Fast fwd to the MWC years and BYU was never able to replicate the success of those two schools. Why? Is it coaching? Is it talent and speed? Is it both?

As I've said before, BYU is in a rock and a hard place. Either they play a weak schedule, go undefeated and nobody cares, or they play a schedule so hard that there's no way they go undefeated with their current talent pool. Taysom is a special players and sometimes when you have a special player, especially at QB, they mask other weaknesses. BYU's D looked awful before Hill went down and now that he's gone, nothing about that team looks special at all with the exception of Jamal Williams.

Translation: They're not very good. Just like Utah hasn't been good enough to compete in the PAC consistently. IMO, for BYU to be a legit threat for a 4 or 8 team playoff they need to get in a P5 conference. Fair or not, it immediately gives them a better perception with voters. It will also help them with recruiting and make them better. Imagine them going into a non LDS 5 star QB's house and saying: "We're BYU. Steve Young and Jimmy Mac played here. We have an NC and a Heisman winner. Come play with us and you'll get a chance to compete for Big 12 titles, New Years bowls, and spots in the playoffs".

Until they get that, what you've seen the last 4-5 years is exactly what you're going to keep getting.
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I think you missed the point of the conversation.

Someone said that byu could go undefeated for 10 years in a row with the hardest schedule in the nation and not get into the playoff.

Do you agree? (That is what was being discussed btw)
 
fishonjazz said:
I think you missed the point of the conversation.

Someone said that byu could go undefeated for 10 years in a row with the hardest schedule in the nation and not get into the playoff.

Do you agree? (That is what was being discussed btw)
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I was directly responding to Colton's remark that BYU "absolutely" gets into the playoffs with a P5 schedule and an undefeated season. That's why I quoted his post. Not really interested in discussing the hypothetical of BYU going undefeated for 10 straight years.
 
jazzman12 said:
I was directly responding to Colton's remark that BYU "absolutely" gets into the playoffs with a P5 schedule and an undefeated season. That's why I quoted his post.
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But then you didn't actually respond to it. You just said "Oh, that's not possible." Do you disagree that if BYU plays a top 30-35 schedule in difficulty and goes undefeated, then they would get into an 8-team playoff?
 
Don't expect to get a real answer from jazzman... He flames and flames and then slinks away when he's backed into a corner
 
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