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trigg3r said:
I respect your opinion but vehemently disagree with it. The BYU defense was terrible and the Ute defense was pretty damn good overall.
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I respect your opinion as well. And I don't totally disagree with it.
But while you say byu defense was terrible, the utah offense was also terrible.
And remember, it was not just taysom hills health that made byu a different team at that point in the season...... when taysom went down so did jamaal williams, (by far byus best rb) craig bills and jordan johnson, (byus best safety and best cb) alani fua, (byus best lb) bronson kafusi, (best defensive lineman) too.
The defense was not good 4 games into the season, but it was not too bad until it was decimated by injury.
I think this season's byu team was probably one of the most injured teams in the history of college football.
When they were healthy they were quite good which is why alot of national media had them going undefeated.

Utah very well may have been favored and very well may have won the game (they have owned the rivalry of late) but I think that you are not giving byu enough credit.

As for byus defense pre-taysom injury..... they allowed 10 pts on the road against uconn (not a great point allowance, but not bad at all), 7pts on the road against texas (pretty good pt total imo), 25 against houston (not bad as Houston had a high powered offense ) and 33 against virginia (just horrible)
So out of 4 games they had one garbage defensive game.

Actually Utah's offense was probably better than I give it credit for too. It certainly would have been an entertaining game!
 
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At first when I heard he left for Oregon St I was concerned for most of the reasons that have been said, recruiting, who will replace him, how much better that could make Oregon St. also keep thinking why do the Utes keep getting poached for coaches. Then I figured well it must be a sign that the U must be doing something right if other coaches want the U's coaches, so I will try to have faith that Whit will find a replacement. With defense being his strong suit (unlike offensive coaching) he may go young with someone that can recruit and teach and he can spend some time helping on the D side and that will allow the offensive coordinator a bit more freedom (assuming that he was partly responsible for the conservative play calling at times).
 
fishonjazz said:
I respect your opinion as well. And I don't totally disagree with it.
But while you say byu defense was terrible, the utah offense was also terrible.
And remember, it was not just taysom hills health that made byu a different team at that point in the season...... when taysom went down so did jamaal williams, (by far byus best rb) craig bills and jordan johnson, (byus best safety and best cb) alani fua, (byus best lb) bronson kafusi, (best defensive lineman) too.
The defense was not good 4 games into the season, but it was not too bad until it was decimated by injury.
I think this season's byu team was probably one of the most injured teams in the history of college football.
When they were healthy they were quite good which is why alot of national media had them going undefeated.

Utah very well may have been favored and very well may have won the game (they have owned the rivalry of late) but I think that you are not giving byu enough credit.

As for byus defense pre-taysom injury..... they allowed 10 pts on the road against uconn (not a great point allowance, but not bad at all), 7pts on the road against texas (pretty good pt total imo), 25 against houston (not bad as Houston had a high powered offense ) and 33 against virginia (just horrible)
So out of 4 games they had one garbage defensive game.

Actually Utah's offense was probably better than I give it credit for too. It certainly would have been an entertaining game!
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I agree that the offense was brutal. For the most part that was against PAC 12 teams though. I am not saying BYU had Fresno State type defense giving up 59 to us, but the also don't have a comparable defense to IMO USC, Oregon, Stanford, etc. I honestly, think a bad BYU defense makes the Ute offense in this hypothetical game look a lot better than they really are. I understand it would be a rivalry game and I am not totally discounting the possibility of an upset. I just really don't believe it would happen. That might be just the bias in me speaking.
 
trigg3r said:
I agree that the offense was brutal. For the most part that was against PAC 12 teams though. I am not saying BYU had Fresno State type defense giving up 59 to us, but the also don't have a comparable defense to IMO USC, Oregon, Stanford, etc. I honestly, think a bad BYU defense makes the Ute offense in this hypothetical game look a lot better than they really are. I understand it would be a rivalry game and I am not totally discounting the possibility of an upset. I just really don't believe it would happen. That might be just the bias in me speaking.
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Fair enough.
 
Everyone likes to talk about p5 schools in the current college football climate. The taysom hill led byu team played against 2 mid-lower level p5 schools. (texas, virgina)
Byu beat texas 41-7 and beat virgina 41-33

Now Utah on the other hand played against 4 mid-lower level p5 schools (Michigan, Washington state, Oregon state and Colorado).
They beat Michigan 26-10, lost to Washington state 28-27, beat Oregon state in double overtime, and beat Colorado 38-34.

Utah faired quite will against the mid-upper level p5 schools on their schedule (beat ucla by 2, beat usc by 3, lost to Arizona state, beat Stanford by 3)
Taysom hill led byu team didn't play against any of these types of schools so we don't know how byu would have done. I think they could have played close games against those type of teams and maybe won a few.

Utah was really bad against the elite p5 schools on their schedule. (lost to Arizona 42-10, and lost to Oregon 51-27)
Taysom hill led byu team didn't play any of these types of teams either but I think that they could have got their asses kicked by those teams as well.

I just don't see a huge difference between the utes and the 4-0 byu team that began the season. (byu was ranked higher than Utah after 4 games btw, not that the rankings mean all that much)
 
fishonjazz said:
Everyone likes to talk about p5 schools in the current college football climate. The taysom hill led byu team played against 2 mid-lower level p5 schools. (texas, virgina)
Byu beat texas 41-7 and beat virgina 41-33

Now Utah on the other hand played against 4 mid-lower level p5 schools (Michigan, Washington state, Oregon state and Colorado).
They beat Michigan 26-10, lost to Washington state 28-27, beat Oregon state in double overtime, and beat Colorado 38-34.

Utah faired quite will against the mid-upper level p5 schools on their schedule (beat ucla by 2, beat usc by 3, lost to Arizona state, beat Stanford by 3)
Taysom hill led byu team didn't play against any of these types of schools so we don't know how byu would have done. I think they could have played close games against those type of teams and maybe won a few.

Utah was really bad against the elite p5 schools on their schedule. (lost to Arizona 42-10, and lost to Oregon 51-27)
Taysom hill led byu team didn't play any of these types of teams either but I think that they could have got their asses kicked by those teams as well.

I just don't see a huge difference between the utes and the 4-0 byu team that began the season. (byu was ranked higher than Utah after 4 games btw, not that the rankings mean all that much)
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byu Heismans and champion title winner if Tysom not injuried because Utah lost to Washington St
 
Sounds like Utah will need another OC... Again.

I'm guessing that Christiansen wasn't happy with Whittingham's meddling.
 
trigg3r said:
This coming from a guy who thought BYU was better than Utah not even a quarter into the season. You have been just about as wrong as a person can get when it comes to your college football predictions in this thread. Why should we believe that you are right this time and we are going to be a 3 win team next season? Thriller, you blow things way out of proportion constantly when it comes to Utah football.
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Yet, I was right about taysom being run too much, right about thompson being better than wilson, right about BYU needing more team speed, right about Nick Howell being promoted prematurely...

But yeah, that's okay. Whatever makes you sleep better.

Btw, with a healthy Taysom the entire season changes. Take away Booker and your entire season looks different too.
 
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