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PG_AB said:
Will Barton has gotta be the MIP front runner, he averaged 3pts a game last year. His stats vs NO tonight 32-10-6........


Gotta say this is turning into one of my favorite story-lines of the season!
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I don't know about most improved. More like most change in opportunity. Barton has been a pretty good player for a while. Portland just wouldn't play him. This happens often in the NBA. Coaches get scared or something and don't dare give a guy a real opportunity for fear of what it may look like. People thought Barton was too skinny to be good.
 
Hack said:
Lebron deserves some criticism. Even more so than any other player. He's been touted as being as good as Jordan sometimes. But he has this track record of not being clutch or knowing how to close things out. He's been able to do everything but that. It's not just this game. This has been an on going thing. I can think of a lot of players through NBA history I'd trust more to close out the game over Lebron. It's become a real issue for him and big black mark on his career.
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Yeah, that's pretty much horse crap. All the late game stats we have point to Lebron being one of the best closers of alltime.
 
Eminence said:
Yeah, that's pretty much horse crap. All the late game stats we have point to Lebron being one of the best closers of alltime.
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Basketball is more than stats bud. I know what I've witnessed. There's a reason why he's missing some hardware he could have and should have gotten had he been more clutch. He chokes in the tightest moments.
 
And if it wasn't for Ray Allen and that prayer he threw up, he'd be sitting on one less ring because of lack of clutchness.

If you can't see it, you aren't watching or listening to the games.

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I'm not really hating on Lebron. I think he's a great player, but I wouldn't bet anything in him closing out a big game I'd bet in him getting to the end in a position to win though.

Lebron is essentially the Payton Manning of basketball. Jordan is Tom Brady. We know what that means. It's not a huge knock on them because Lebron and Payton are still better than most. Brady and Jordan are a notch above them and only like few other people that have ever existed. It's hard to be clutch all the time.



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Hack said:
Basketball is more than stats bud. I know what I've witnessed. There's a reason why he's missing some hardware he could have and should have gotten had he been more clutch. He chokes in the tightest moments.
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Considering you were making the exact opposite argument about 90s basketball, I can't help but laugh. What a boob.
 
Hack said:
Ummm what are you saying? What connection are you trying to make?
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You were arguing, compellingly I must add, that the stats don't support the notion that 90s basketball was tougher than today's. Others were, uninterestingly, countering that stats aren't everything, and that they know what they saw. Now someone refutes your argument with stats, and you grasp for the "but my eyes disagree" crutch. The connection is pretty clear, Hack.
 
Siro said:
You were arguing, compellingly I must add, that the stats don't support the notion that 90s basketball was tougher than today's. Others were, uninterestingly, countering that stats aren't everything, and that they know what they saw. Now someone refutes your argument with stats, and you grasp for the "but my eyes disagree" crutch. The connection is pretty clear, Hack.
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You almost have a point, but not really. I don't think tougher is the word that was talked about. It was about defense, and the hand check in particular, and whether or not Steph Curry could score like he does now back then.

The truth about all that, is the Pistons played exceptionally dirty, and that was pretty much it. It was one team. It was a thing that worked a little bit. But it wouldn't even have worked on Steph Curry. He does his damage from outside where he isn't going to be touched much. He just gets the shot off before you know what happened.

But I guess you are in the club of Steph Curry isn't very good.

Keep arguing butt cheeks. Merry Christmas.
 
Hack said:
You almost have a point, but not really. I don't think tougher is the word that was talked about. It was about defense, and the hand check in particular, and whether or not Steph Curry could score like he does now back then.

The truth about all that, is the Pistons played exceptionally dirty, and that was pretty much it. It was one team. It was a thing that worked a little bit. But it wouldn't even have worked on Steph Curry. He does his damage from outside where he isn't going to be touched much. He just gets the shot off before you know what happened.

But I guess you are in the club of Steph Curry isn't very good.

Keep arguing butt cheeks. Merry Christmas.
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Actually I was fully on your side about Curry and 90s basketball. It's okay to be wrong sometimes. You made a stupid argument this time, and I pointed out that you're capable of doing better. No need for mental gymnastics.

And Merry Christmas to you too.
 
Hack said:
And if it wasn't for Ray Allen and that prayer he threw up, he'd be sitting on one less ring because of lack of clutchness.

If you can't see it, you aren't watching or listening to the games.

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Of course stats aren't everything, but they are pretty easy to use and see when our memories are being selective. Is Lebron as "clutch" as Jordan or the most clutch of all time, probably not. Is he not clutch, or one of the least clutch stars, not even close.

Also, using a finals elimination game where his team was down 10 going into the 4th and he scored 18 pts as an example of his not clutchness is... not particularly convincing.
 
I've been busy this season and haven't seen a lot of hoops. But I was wondering if y'all had the same impression I had:

1. That Cavs offense is horrid. It's basically everyone stand around and watch LBJ go 1 on 1.
2. The Spurs offense actually looked painful to watch. Not many 3s and they played slow. It almost looked like the old school Spurs offense with The Admiral and Duncan working the high Low. Has Parker lost a step? It seemed like Leonard was doing most of the dribble drive creation. Is Parker too slow now?

Thoughts?
 
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