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Different teammates. Different coaches. Different opponents. Impossible to compare. What we do know is that both of these guys dominated their own era for more than a decade.
 
fishonjazz said:
When LeBron has had the supporting cast. He wins chips.
When he plays with garbage, he goes to the finals.

Wonder what would have happened if mj played with boobie gibson, sasha pavlovic, eric snow, anthony parker, etc
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Not always, Lebron is 2-3 in the finals (including his last finals appearance when he lost). Kobe is 5-2 in the finals.

I would consider Lebron and Kobe top 10 all time. But for me it all comes down to finals record. 6-0 is better than 5-2 and 2-3

I agree that these players are dominate in their generation and any team with one of them in their primes as the marquee player is a legit contender.
 
The flaw in the argument that the better player has the better Finals record couldn't be clearer than in the LeBron versus Kobe debate. Kobe has a better finals record, but LeBron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe.

Like, waaaaay better, braughs.
 
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Stoked said:
Not always, Lebron is 2-3 in the finals (including his last finals appearance when he lost)..
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Like I said in the post you quoted.... When he has the great supporting cast (like Jordan had) he wins chips (the two times he had the great supporting cast.)

When he doesn't have the great supporting cast he gets his teams to the finals (twice with crummy *** Cleveland rosters and once with Miami when d-wade was broken down iirc)
 
FWIW here is my post from a few pages back where I say that Jordan is my guy over LeBron..... and its not even close.
fishonjazz said:
Good post.
Jordan was SUCH a fantastic scorer and seemed to just raise his level of play so much in big games and big moments that I have to give the edge to Jordan. And its actually an easy choice for me.

And I always hated Jordan and have always been a huge LeBron homer.


Imo no one compares to Jordan still.


Lebron belongs with Wilt, bird, magic, russell, shaq, Duncan

I put Kobe with guys like Isaiah, Malone, Barkley, hakeem, kareem

I think Jordan is in his own tier, LeBron is in the second tier, Kobe is in the third tier.
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However, Jordan did have better teams and coaches than LeBron and im simply saying that if LeBron had a similar coach and supporting cast as Jordan, then he may have as many or more championships as Jordan..... But we will never know because Cleveland is horrible at building around LeBron.
 
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NAOS said:
The flaw in the argument that the better player has the better final record couldn't be clearer than in the LeBron versus Kobe debate. Kobe has a better finals record, but LeBron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe.

Like, waaaaay better, braughs.
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Yep.

success vs good, better, best


People need to learn the difference between career team success and good, better, best. Kobe, Fisher and Horry more successful team careers, LeBron >>>>>>> those three guys terms of who is better at playing basketball.
 
Fabtrey said:
i'm kinda tired of media picking and choosing stats like that. it was OT game and bron had a poor shooting night. i'm sure there's better triple double stat line.
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Picking and choosing? It's just a fact. No one has ever had 37 points, 18 rebounds, 13 assists in a playoff game before.
 
Why are we discussing the Jordan vs. Lebron foolishness while the playoffs are going on??? We should be discussing and OUTRAGED at the double standard just set by the lousy league and front office of this pathetic NBA as they have handed down there ruling and NOT suspended Howard for hitting Boguts in the head with his flailing backhand in last nights game!!! What a crock of bull! Howard did much worse than what Horford did...and he get's a free pass??? R.J. Puke get's suspended for 2 games for doing the same thing and Howard gets a free pass? As far as this Jordan/Lebron thing everybody in town knows that Lebron will break everyone of Jordans individual records, but will be hard pressed to win 6 championships before he's finished. He's got 2 now, and is going to be a heavy underdog in this years Finals. He needs 4 more to catch Jordan? Not going to happen!
 
fishonjazz said:
What happened the two years that LeBron had those two players in their primes and healthy? Chips

Maybe if bron had wade and bosh for 6 straight years healthy and in their primes he would have six chips.
Or if bron had pippen, rodman, kukoc, kerr, and phil maybe he would have six chips.
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most likely bron would've had 6 chips, but in reality bron did lose 2 championships with wade & bosh. and they hypothetical argument really doesn't work because we won't even know if dennis rodman falls in love with bron and damage him pyschologically. or maybe pippen thinks him and bron are too much alike, and he won't like being the 2nd banana.

and it's not always about the ring. it's about the dominance. MJ was so damn dominant. i mean he was so far ahead of his peers, it really wasn't that close.

i think Bron will go down as the 2nd greatest of all time - ahead of magic, kareem, wilt, russell, duncan, hakeem, etc, etc. and that is a tremendous accomplishment.
 
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Fabtrey said:
most likely bron would've had 6 chips, but in reality bron did lose 2 championships with wade & bosh. and they hypothetical argument really doesn't work because we won't even know if dennis rodman falls in love with bron and damage him pyschologically. or maybe pippen thinks him and bron are too much alike, and he won't like being the 2nd banana.

and it's not always about the ring. it's about the dominance. MJ was so damn dominant. i mean he was so far ahead of his peers, it really wasn't that close.

i think Bron will go down as the 2nd greatest of all time - ahead of magic, kareem, wilt, russell, duncan, hakeem, etc, etc. and that is a tremendous accomplishment.
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I agree with most of this.
Like I said earlier, I pick mj everytime and don't think twice or long about the choice.

I just think that when people say Jordan got 6 rings and was undefeated while LeBron only has 2 rings and three finals losses that you have to realize that jordans teammates and coach were pretty impressive while some of LeBron teammates and coaches (Mike Brown as coach and eric snow as starting pg lol) have been pretty pathetic
 
The fact that LeBron 'went back home to try to win a Chip for Cleveland' is pretty great I think. Michael never did that. He just stayed in his comfort zone with Phil and Pippen and Chicago.


If he wins it this year for Cleveland I think that puts him right up there with Michael considering he has to lead a group of misfits & a rookie HC.
 
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