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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

Hardaway is one of the worst defenders in the NBA. I just dont see the Jazz wanting to add him. Yeah, he brings some scoring, but he's going to use a lot of possessions to do that. He's a terrible fit next to Mitchell.

I dont see the Jazz looking at him at all.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Hardaway is one of the worst defenders in the NBA. I just dont see the Jazz wanting to add him. Yeah, he brings some scoring, but he's going to use a lot of possessions to do that. He's a terrible fit next to Mitchell.

I dont see the Jazz looking at him at all.
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He also is dealing with Plantar Facitis issues... if he was completely healthy and still playing anything near where he was to start the season I could see some interest. He’s not a good defender but I don’t think he’s one of the worst.

Tim is a no go. I could see us having more interest in Lee and other assets at this point, but we won’t compromise our cap position for such a mild upgrade unless they think Frank or Dotson are something super special that is worth the risk. Frank is a guy I’d take a risk on if we didn’t have Exum and if DM was shooting better but he’s not a fit at all imo.
 
LoPo said:
Break that down for me. Name some teams that won titles after their best players turned 30. Miami? Nope. Cleveland? Kyrie and Love nope. Golden State? Nope. San Antonio? Nope. What are you babbling about Cy?



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Mavs: That team was a bunch of old farts
Cleveland: James was 32
Spurs: Last two rings came with Duncan and Ginobili above 30 (1st ring came with an over 30 Robinson/Johnson/Elliot/Kerrr)
Bulls: Last 3 rings came with their core over 30
Lakers: Their 2-peat in the Gasol era came with Kobe/Gasol/Artest/Odom over 30
Celtics: KG/Allen/Pierce all over 30
Heat: 1st ring of Wade era came with an over 30 Shaq
Rockets: 2-peat with Hakeem/Drexler/Thorpe over 30
 
latin jazz said:
I think the sense of urgency comes from the fact that team building will be easier while DM is on a rookie deal and Rudy on a mini max. Adding that third piece is more likely/easier within the next two years
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Plus the fact that contracts are shorter than they were in yesteryear and there's a huge shifting precedent of moving franchises. We had Karl and John together for 18 years. That's unfathomable at this point.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Mavs: That team was a bunch of old farts
Cleveland: James was 32
Spurs: Last two rings came with Duncan and Ginobili above 30 (1st ring came with an over 30 Robinson/Johnson/Elliot/Kerrr)
Bulls: Last 3 rings came with their core over 30
Lakers: Their 2-peat in the Gasol era came with Kobe/Gasol/Artest/Odom over 30
Celtics: KG/Allen/Pierce all over 30
Heat: 1st ring of Wade era came with an over 30 Shaq
Rockets: 2-peat with Hakeem/Drexler/Thorpe over 30
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Mavs: That team was a bunch of old farts
Cleveland: James was 32
Spurs: Last two rings came with Duncan and Ginobili above 30 (1st ring came with an over 30 Robinson/Johnson/Elliot/Kerrr)
Bulls: Last 3 rings came with their core over 30
Lakers: Their 2-peat in the Gasol era came with Kobe/Gasol/Artest/Odom over 30
Celtics: KG/Allen/Pierce all over 30
Heat: 1st ring of Wade era came with an over 30 Shaq
Rockets: 2-peat with Hakeem/Drexler/Thorpe over 30
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You said teams dont start winning titles until their best players are in their 30's.

The Mavs - debatable I'll give you

Cleveland - 1 player (who already had titles) doesn't outweigh Kyrie and Love being well under 30

The Spurs don't win titles without young Duncan and Kawhi Leonard who "were their best players"

Bulls don't count because they already won titles

Lakers don't count because they already won titles

Boston counts

Miami doesn't count because Miami was led by young Wade their best player.

Rockets - I don't want to look it up but I'll give it to you

So according to you "most teams don't start winning titles until their best players are in their 30's". That's wrong because only 4 teams which support your theory over the last 30+ years count. And two of those teams were 1 offs so they didn't "start winning titles" because they won their one.

Regardless, we are an older team with no championship pedigree and no superstar at this point. We need to make moves before the deadline. Not blow it up, but better support the team.

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LoPo said:
You said teams dont start winning titles until their best players are in their 30's.

The Mavs - debatable I'll give you

Cleveland - 1 player (who already had titles) doesn't outweigh Kyrie and Love being well under 30

The Spurs don't win titles without young Duncan and Kawhi Leonard who "were their best players"

Bulls don't count because they already won titles

Lakers don't count because they already won titles

Boston counts

Miami doesn't count because Miami was led by young Wade their best player.

Rockets - I don't want to look it up but I'll give it to you

So according to you "most teams don't start winning titles until their best players are in their 30's". That's wrong because only 4 teams which support your theory over the last 30+ years count. And two of those teams were 1 offs so they didn't "start winning titles" because they won their one.

Regardless, we are an older team with no championship pedigree and no superstar at this point. We need to make moves before the deadline. Not blow it up, but better support the team.

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They all count man. You can't apply your flimsy logic to everything just so you can be right.

I have no idea how winning a ring prior, especially in the case of the Lakers (who were a completely differnet team than the Shaq/Kobe Lakes), makes my point invalid.

Most teams dont win rings without their best players in their 30's.

Like it's pretty much only the Pistons, Lebron Heat, and mid 00's Spurs who didnt, and those guys were late 20's. Your idea that Gobert being 26 meaning we have to win now is just wrong. The likely thing that will happen, if Utah has a chance, is they will win a ring when Gobert is in his early 30's and Mitchell in his mid to late 20's.
 
And I never said the word "start". Every team is it's own unique thing. Just because Jordan won 2 titles before turning 30 doesnt change the fact he won 4 of them in his 30's. Winning one title doesnt increase your odds of winning another. 4/6 of Jordan's rings came with stars vets over 30.
 
LoPo said:
Cleveland? Kyrie and Love nope.
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LoPo said:
The Mavs - debatable I'll give you
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Lol. Ok, have some integrity. Their best players were nearing their last legs. How is that debatable
LoPo said:
Cleveland - 1 player (who already had titles) doesn't outweigh Kyrie and Love being well under 30
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Lmao. Kyrie and Love don’t win a title without LBJ.

Saint Cy of JFC said:
And I never said the word "start". Every team is it's own unique thing. Just because Jordan won 2 titles before turning 30 doesnt change the fact he won 4 of them in his 30's. Winning one title doesnt increase your odds of winning another. 4/6 of Jordan's rings came with stars vets over 30.
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Let’s not forget, it took years and years for Jordan’s Bulls to break through. I don’t think you need to be thirty to win, but it takes time and experience to learn to win in the nba. Different players get there on their time. One thing is clear, adding offense isn’t going to automatically elevate this team to chip status. We can’t just add a Russell or a Tim Hardaway Jr. or Parker. Those guys don’t elevate a team.
 
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