2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Allen might have some value. I'd be sure to ask he be included in any deal I did with the Jazz.

I’d personally like to see what we have in him. I think he’s a natural born scorer and shooter, and I think he can be interchangeable at the 1&2 spots. A rich man’s Reddick, maybe not as good a shooter, but think he will be around 37-40% for his career

Also, I don’t have much interest in Randle. Yes, I’ve seen him play tons.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Utah needs a ball dominant all star to create and take advantage of mismatches.

Utah needs a ball dominant all star to create and take advantage of mismatches.

Utah needs a ball dominant all star to create and take advantage of mismatches.

Utah needs a ball dominant all star to create and take advantage of mismatches.

Utah needs a ball dominant all star to create and take advantage of mismatches.

All star or mediocrity, fans' choice.

Rubio for Dragic works straight up. If we had to use a trade exception... they expire in February. I seem to recall that Quin coached Dragic and had a good relationship with him. Maybe I am thinking of KokoskoskoSonovavitch.

Dragic has career stats of 46.7% fg and 36.3% from 3.
Rubio has career stats of 38.5% fg and 32.5% from 3.

Dragic is a playmaker. Dragic is demands the ball at the end of a game. Dragic is 32 and is owed $18 million both this year and next.
Rubio is a playmaker. Rubio should not be on the court at the end of a game. Rubio is 28 and is owed $14.5 million expiring this year.

Why do the heat do it? They dump salary in a like for like point guard swap as they race to the bottom of the standings. This saves them $18 million next year that they can use for a new Free Agent signing. Otherwise they get more of the same next year.

Why do the Jazz do it? They upgrade their shooting and they don't downgrade their playmaking. They can still add a great player in free agency. If you can get Winston in the deal then even better. He seems to be on the outs in Miami and we love defenders. Take a swinger on him and abandon the Bradley ship.

 

[fishonjazz]

LOL? Mirotic is a UFA after this season and you want to through all that away for a potential half a season rental? Good thing you're not Dennis

All what away? Rubio sucks. Exum sucks. Favors doesnt work well for our team and is likely gone next summer anyway. The draft pick would be a late first rounder which is usually meh.

And you forgot (of course) that we get holiday too.

 

[fishonjazz]

Jrue Holiday is a 20ppg scorer and one of the best defensive point guards in the league. He is in his prime and is signed for the next three seasons. Giving up 2 expiring solid starters, somebody many around here says is an overpaid bust, and a non-lottery pick isn't that much. And even though Mirotic is expiring, we would still have him the rest of the year and have the inside route on keeping him long term. This roster is a contender:

PG Holiday
SG Mitchell
SF Ingles
PF Mirotic
C Gobert
Bench: Crowder, Korver, O'Neale, Neto, Niang, Udoh, Thabo, Bradley, Grayson

This. Shad isnt the brightest bulb. Of you “give all that away” for a chance at a championship. I woukd throw in another 1st as well. Hell, dont even lottery protect them since they wont be lottery picks.

That lineup looks amazing.

 

[fishonjazz]

You make a good point about his spacing, but his 3 point shooting keeps getting better. Most importantly, his energy, rebounding, ball handling and scoring would give us a major lift.

I think Randle is a budding star. He is absolutely relentless.

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Relentlessness has always been his elite skill. Dude goes all out

 

[fishonjazz]

This. Shad isnt the brightest bulb. Of you “give all that away” for a chance at a championship. I woukd throw in another 1st as well. Hell, dont even lottery protect them since they wont be lottery picks.

That lineup looks amazing.

**** it. If they want grayson then throw em our d leaguer too.

 

[Shad]

Good thing you guys aren't Dennis. Some dumb af ideas going around

 

[Shad]

I love it. "Exum and Favors suck" so NOLA will give us their 2 of 3 best players for players that are trash. That'll convince AD to stay. Lmfao dumbasses. Might as well trade favors and exum for lebron since the pipe dreams are going. How about you stop and think about the other team and why they'd do it before you post dumb af trade ideas. Fishon's bulb must be out.

 

[LoPo]

I love it. "Exum and Favors suck" so NOLA will give us their 2 of 3 best players for players that are trash. That'll convince AD to stay. Lmfao dumbasses. Might as well trade favors and exum for lebron since the pipe dreams are going. How about you stop and think about the other team and why they'd do it before you post dumb af trade ideas. Fishon's bulb must be out.

Shad, c'mon man, you got to be brighter than that. We are only talking about Jrue and Mirotic in the event that the Pelicans decide to trade AD for Lonzo Ball and other young players as part of a rebuild.

NOLA will not want to pay Jrue $26 million a year if AD isnt there and they have Lonzo. Favors' expiring and Exum's potential could intrigue NOLA. Plus 1st rounder(s) too of course.

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[fishonjazz]

I love it. "Exum and Favors suck" so NOLA will give us their 2 of 3 best players for players that are trash. That'll convince AD to stay. Lmfao dumbasses. Might as well trade favors and exum for lebron since the pipe dreams are going. How about you stop and think about the other team and why they'd do it before you post dumb af trade ideas. Fishon's bulb must be out.

A. First you act like the trade is horrible for the jazz and now you act like it's too favorable for the jazz?
B. This hypothetical trade was based on the assumption that AD gets traded first.

Lol at your stupidity.

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[LoPo]

Okay, so here are my current options:

Option #1 - if we are lucky, no team trades for Ariza by January 15. Hopefully, Phoenix and Igor have interest in Exum. Ariza for Exum is pretty fair for both sides. Sure beats Phoenix just buying Ariza out. And if we are still out on Exum, just cut him loose, get a great expiring vet for the playoffs, and move on. If we go this route, we have more money to spend in the summer.

Option #2 - once again, this is a January 15 or later scenario. Trade with NOLA if they trade AD. We have been over this one, but use Favors, Exum, Rubio, picks, whatever necessary. Go after Jrue, Mirotic and Randle in that order. Some or all three guys should be available if NOLA rebuilds.

Option #3 - Beal - once again, a January 15 or later idea. It is very unrealistic, but we have a glimmer of hope. It would take us taking Mahinmi's deal and probably sending 2 1sts.

Option #4 - after January 15, Favors and expirings for Hardaway and Ntilikina works well. NY goes full tank and dreams of a big free agent this summer.

Option #5 - Otto Porter - post January 15, we could give Washington expirings and luxury relief.

Option #6 - if Miami keeps struggling, we look to send expirings for some of their role players. I would target Winslow, Olynyk maybe even Richardson if he becomes available. They could avoid the luxury with the right deal.

Option # 7 - after January 15, Exum to Orlando for Simmons. Just like Ariza, this would be an Exum dump for an expiring vet.

Regardless, we need to do something else. Korver was a great deal but we need more.

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[radiohegel]

NOP isn't going to give up Jrue because of a hypothetical Lonzo acquisition, unless they're trying to full out tank. Those guys would play fine together.