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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

LoPo said:
So outside of Phoenix, Philly, Orlando and maybe some dark horse like Portland, we really don't know the market for Jrue. There just aren't that many buyers for a 28 year old PG/SG with $80 million left on his deal after this year.

For us, it's a no brainer. For almost every other team, there is a reason not to (Phoenix age, Orlando pick too high, Philly wants a bigger star, etc).

And its very important to remember - if NOLA goes full on tank, expirings and picks for Jrue makes sense. Paying a good PG/SG max type money for 3 years when you are trying to rebuild just doesn't make sense.

We can definitely get beat by a better offer, but there has to be a buyer as willing as us. I dont know if that exists.

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I disagree. Holiday is so versatile and he’s in his prime. He’s appropriately paid and locked in for a while (big bonus for many teams). Chicago, Indiana, Minnesota, a bunch of others would have interest.

They won’t go full rebuild imo... at least not yet.
 
I think we really need to stop thinking of Dante as a positive asset... at this point he is likely has negative or neutral value in most cases.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I disagree. Holiday is so versatile and he’s in his prime. He’s appropriately paid and locked in for a while (big bonus for many teams). Chicago, Indiana, Minnesota, a bunch of others would have interest.

They won’t go full rebuild imo... at least not yet.
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I agree to an extent, but Chicago isn't giving up a 1st anytime soon. Indiana doesn't have the assets any better than ours. If Minnesota trades Wiggins and a 1st, maybe NOLA is intrigued.

There might be interest, but the other team has to have the means and motivation. I just don't see many.

We even have the ability to take back Solomon Hill who NOLA doesn't seem to want. We could enable their rebuild.

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LoPo said:
I agree to an extent, but Chicago isn't giving up a 1st anytime soon. Indiana doesn't have the assets any better than ours. If Minnesota trades Wiggins and a 1st, maybe NOLA is intrigued.

There might be interest, but the other team has to have the means and motivation. I just don't see many.

We even have the ability to take back Solomon Hill who NOLA doesn't seem to want. We could enable their rebuild.

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This draft ain’t that great beyond the first 3-4 dudes though... a top 5 pick could absolutely be available... Indiana could do Sabonis and a pick and beat our offer or Turner and a pick... may not be all 30 teams but only takes one and our traceable asset base isn’t first on the list... I think you are under valuing Holiday... some of those terrible teams (Orlando and Phoenix) have been so bad so long that a win now move for a bet in their prime is 100% going to be on the table.
 
I think we make maybe a minor trade at the deadline... talking like a Shelvin Mack type of deal from a few years ago... Otherwise waiting for the offseason is prudent imo. I'd rather wait than make a deal for Conley or Porter atm... those are the guys most likely available. Let the Wiz cut that tax check and miss the playoffs... then lets see what the price of OP Jr. is.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think we make maybe a minor trade at the deadline... talking like a Shelvin Mack type of deal from a few years ago... Otherwise waiting for the offseason is prudent imo. I'd rather wait than make a deal for Conley or Porter atm... those are the guys most likely available. Let the Wiz cut that tax check and miss the playoffs... then lets see what the price of OP Jr. is.
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Minor trade doesnt make sense.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
This draft ain’t that great beyond the first 3-4 dudes though... a top 5 pick could absolutely be available... Indiana could do Sabonis and a pick and beat our offer or Turner and a pick... may not be all 30 teams but only takes one and our traceable asset base isn’t first on the list... I think you are under valuing Holiday... some of those terrible teams (Orlando and Phoenix) have been so bad so long that a win now move for a bet in their prime is 100% going to be on the table.
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I dont think a conference contender like Indiana would sacrifice Turner or Sabonis and a pick especially since Oladipo went down.

Phoenix will not send a draft pick for Jrue. They are too many moves away and too young to sacrifice that much.

Orlando is the best bet. However, they are Vucevic leaving this summer away from being in the same spot as Phoenix (Gordon and Bamba vs Booker and Ayton). Orlando is better served getting somebody young like Rozier, DSJ, or somebody else.

I could be wrong, but I think Jrue is a last piece type guy and not a "he is going to make us go from awful to relevance guy". What team is willing to push all their chips in the middle of the table to go from really good to hopefully great?
Us?
Portland?
Maybe a Dallas (no picks though)?
Houston (no assets)?
Charlotte (massive gamble if Kemba leaves)?
Philly (sacrifice summer moves)?

If Philly wants him, they got him. Orlando maybe too. Outside of those, I like our chances...


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LoPo said:
I dont think a conference contender like Indiana would sacrifice Turner or Sabonis and a pick especially since Oladipo went down.

Phoenix will not send a draft pick for Jrue. They are too many moves away and too young to sacrifice that much.

Orlando is the best bet. However, they are Vucevic leaving this summer away from being in the same spot as Phoenix (Gordon and Bamba vs Booker and Ayton). Orlando is better served getting somebody young like Rozier, DSJ, or somebody else.

I could be wrong, but I think Jrue is a last piece type guy and not a "he is going to make us go from awful to relevance guy". What team is willing to push all their chips in the middle of the table to go from really good to hopefully great?
Us?
Portland?
Maybe a Dallas (no picks though)?
Houston (no assets)?
Charlotte (massive gamble if Kemba leaves)?
Philly (sacrifice summer moves)?

If Philly wants him, they got him. Orlando maybe too. Outside of those, I like our chances...


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I think you are wrong... Indiana can't play Sabonis and Turner together a ton... If they bring back Thad I think one of those guys is available for a more more flexible piece... Phoenix is irrational... I think you are underselling Jrue's market. If they said he's available they'd have 10 teams at the door willing to make competitive offers.

The package we are throwing out there is fine... but it's not something that moves their timeline for trading him. You'd have to throw Sabonis, or a juicy pick or prospect to get them to bite now... not the "meh" package... that will be available to them whenever they want.
 
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