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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

NUMBERICA said:
Any deal that gets you off Exum's contract and doesn't lose you assets is a win. The love of him and how he earned his contract are unlike anything I have ever seen. The only thing that makes sense to me is that the FO and so many of you here refuse to see facts because of blind hope and an adherence to the sunk-cost fallacy.

I'm not saying there's nothing there with Exum, but his contract is obviously the worst on the team. That is because he just isn't very good, can't stay healthy, and also because his deal moved the Jazz out of having a max slot.

It may be wishful thinking to go into free agency hoping to sign a deserving max player, but it's no more wishful than truly believing a guy that has played ~1/3 of games, shoots ~30% from three, has never had a positive +/- for a season or positive VORP, and plays like he has a backpack on at all times is going to become even a starter, let alone a star.

Yeah, there's some reason to have hope for his potential. You sell that to teams that have the cap space, no conceivable free agent draw, and a timeline to accommodate. The Jazz aren't that team. We need real players now.
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I was neutral on his contract... surprised he’s the sticking point. There will always be a “what if” with him... but we are 5 damn years down the road now... he’s useful... could we find something for 10m that is as useful? Is Favs more useful? If he sustains another small injury does he have any trade value?

If he’s the sticking point that’s silly imo. We are placing too much value in “our guy”
 
Since the truth about Exum is finally being told I am just going lay this out there as well.

The reason why you guys dont like Jabari is because he is Mormon.

There I said it. The truth is out there now.

Y'all know he is a baller. You just dont want mormon baller. You have hated every mormon baller ever.

P.S. I am not mormon or religious.
 
If I'm the Jazz, I'm still hell-bent on preserving cap. You have to move Dante in virtually any scenario where you're not rebuilding.

I am not sold at all that Tobias Harris stays with the Sixers. Their other 3 stars are really big personalities that pout a lot, I would dare-say they are self-centered. Are they going to offer him the full 5-year max, and would he want to stay to basically be a 4th option/spot-up shooter? I think it's more likely they retain him if they lose Butler for any number of reasons, but it's hard for me to think that the Sixers would do that on purpose.

Tobias would be the second-option here. Tobias on this team is a perennial WCF team, and if the Warriors start falling apart over the years, probably make the finals. He would be the piece here that makes everything work. We'd need him to create space for our other stars but we would also need him to create.

There is no way I give up a chance to go after him, let alone Kawhi, etc. You strike out, you look at the market for picking up deals that teams don't want to pay on (Blake, Conley!, etc).
 
Exum has played in less than half of Utah's game the last 2 years. Even when he is healthy he's averaging 16 minutes. I see the potential but I don't see why he's unmovable. I think at some point DL is going to have to take a huge gamble and make a move with someone like Dante.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If I'm the Jazz, I'm still hell-bent on preserving cap. You have to move Dante in virtually any scenario where you're not rebuilding.

I am not sold at all that Tobias Harris stays with the Sixers. Their other 3 stars are really big personalities that pout a lot, I would dare-say they are self-centered. Are they going to offer him the full 5-year max, and would he want to stay to basically be a 4th option/spot-up shooter? I think it's more likely they retain him if they lose Butler for any number of reasons, but it's hard for me to think that the Sixers would do that on purpose.

Tobias would be the second-option here. Tobias on this team is a perennial WCF team, and if the Warriors start falling apart over the years, probably make the finals. He would be the piece here that makes everything work. We'd need him to create space for our other stars but we would also need him to create.

There is no way I give up a chance to go after him, let alone Kawhi, etc. You strike out, you look at the market for picking up deals that teams don't want to pay on (Blake, Conley!, etc).
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Tobias isn't coming to Utah. There are 10-12 other teams that will have MORE available cap space than Utah. Why would he choose Utah over the likes of Brooklyn, Indiana, Philly, Dallas, Orlando, etc.? Jazz have whiffed in the FA market for years; why would that change now? Control what you can and trade for a star.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Jerry West is a savage btw... traded the guy that hit a game friggin winner and carried the team last night... in the middle of a playoff race... ONIONS!
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You have to be a bit of a savage to be an effective GM. Sometimes I think The Jazz FO falls in love with their own players a bit too much or believes their own "team is everything" propaganda.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I am still not entirely sold on Conley. I'm glad Lindsey is holding firm, but holding out because of Exum is completely backwards. The only thing that makes taking Conley palatable is moving off of Exum's totally-irrational $11 million a year.
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If we trade Rubio for Conley then Exum's size and defensive versatility would be valuable to us off of the bench. Especially come playoff time against teams like the Rockets and Warriors. Remember what he did to Harden in the playoffs last season? Conley isn't doing that. Mitchell has too much offensive responsibility to be expected to do that.

I agree Exum has many flaws. I just see the value defensively
 
If you trade Exum for Mirotic, you both get a player that gives you something you desperately need (a consistent starter at the 4 that can shoot*) and it's a stealth salary-dump. You'd probably have to throw in a 2nd. Why on earth would NOP keep Mirotic at this stage, and with the Sixers blowing their load for Harris, how are they competition at this point?

Same thing could be said in a deal for Jabari. I haven't done a deep dig on Chicago's cap situation or have any idea what their plan is, but I'd be happy to give the guy a whirl to at least see if it could work.

Bjelica is probably a pipe-dream, but the fit there is still a little weird given Bagley and the timeline with them.
 
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NPC D4617 said:
Since the truth about Exum is finally being told I am just going lay this out there as well.

The reason why you guys dont like Jabari is because he is Mormon.

There I said it. The truth is out there now.

Y'all know he is a baller. You just dont want mormon baller. You have hated every mormon baller ever.

P.S. I am not mormon or religious.
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You realize that a decent percentage of this board is mormon, right? Nobody wants to trade for Jabari at 20 million, but probably 75% of the board would be happy if we picked him up after a buyout or signed him for dirt cheap in the offseason.
 
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