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2020 All-Time Draft - Round 1: Beer vs Thee jazz fan

Who would win in a 7 game series?

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .
Ron Mexico said:
Steve Nash
Carmelo Anthony
Lebron James
Charles Barkley
Dwight Howard

Penny Hardaway
David Thompson
Gilbert Arenas
Marcus Camby
David Benoit

Team Thee jazz fan

Ben Wallace // Bill Laimbeer
Kevin Garnett // Bobby Jones
Scottie Pippen // Alex English
Ray Allen // Manu Ginobili
Isaiah Thomas // Jrue Holiday

Nash - Isaiah: This is fairly even maybe a slight advantage to Isaiah but Nash is a better fit for Beer
Skywalker - Ray Allen: At their peak this is fairly even. Allen is the better shooter but Skywalker has advantages as well.
Lebron - Pipper: Obviously this is Lebron
Barkley - KG: This is advantage Barkley but its close.
Howard - Ben Wallace: This is kind of close but still advantage Howard.

Bench is a big advantage for Thee but that is less important. Beer would have to tighten up his line up, but that is expected anyways.

So really with that lineup there is almost no starting advantage for thee. But with the lineup posted it gives thee some advantages and an awkward lineup that struggles to work together for Beer.

I think Beer was too worried about a shooter next to Lebron at SG. Lebron needs some shooters around him but does not need that much. Also Lebron really likes Melo especially in his prime so it would be an okay fit if he came off the bench.
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Well geez. Two can play this game.

Wallace - Howard. Howard is the better offensive player and a great defender from his Orlando days, but Wallace had another gear and nastiness to look Howard in the eye and withstand him just like he did Shaq. Advantage Wallace.

Barkley - KG. I beg to differ. KG all the way. The only time the lowly wolves org was any good was when KG was there he carried that horrible excuse of a franchise. His length, athleticism and defense would be too much. Advantage KG.

LBJ - Pippen. Hey, it’s LBJ, but I will say Pippen was a masterful defender, as elite as they come, LBJ wins the matchup, but Pippen makes him work for everything. LBJ MAY NOT BE AS AFFECTIVE AS USUAL.

Skywalker - Ray Allen. People forget just how great Allen was, he wasn’t just a shooter. He had great handles and finish inside. Advantage Allen.

Isaha Thomas - Nash. Great playmaking pg’s with different games. Thomas was the better scorer and 10 times the defender. Advantage Thomas.

My bench is also much better. If I needed to I can give Jrue a few more mins to really lock down Nash. I can clog the lane to help Pippen and Wallace, no open shots. My defense is too suffocating.

I win just like Wallace’s pistons vs the Lakers in 04. Lakers had the two or three best players in that series too.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Well geez. Two can play this game.

Wallace - Howard. Howard is the better offensive player and a great defender from his Orlando days, but Wallace had another gear and nastiness to look Howard in the eye and withstand him just like he did Shaq. Advantage Wallace.

Barkley - KG. I beg to differ. KG all the way. The only time the lowly wolves org was any good was when KG was there he carried that horrible excuse of a franchise. His length, athleticism and defense would be too much. Advantage KG.

LBJ - Pippen. Hey, it’s LBJ, but I will say Pippen was a masterful defender, as elite as they come, LBJ wins the matchup, but Pippen makes him work for everything. LBJ MAY NOT BE AS AFFECTIVE AS USUAL.

Skywalker - Ray Allen. People forget just how great Allen was, he wasn’t just a shooter. He had great handles and finish inside. Advantage Allen.

Isaha Thomas - Nash. Great playmaking pg’s with different games. Thomas was the better scorer and 10 times the defender. Advantage Thomas.

My bench is also much better. If I needed to I can give Jrue a few more mins to really lock down Nash. I can clog the lane to help Pippen and Wallace, no open shots. My defense is too suffocating.

I win just like Wallace’s pistons vs the Lakers in 04. Lakers had the two or three best players in that series too.
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Fair enough. Because the only facts we have is what your eye test tells you so I am not privy to that information.

Where is your big advantage at? An advantage over how big of an advantage Lebron is? The bench is your main advantage but thats not that big since no one plays 10 players in playoffs its just 8 or so.

"Wallace - Howard. Howard is the better offensive player and a great defender from his Orlando days, but Wallace had another gear and nastiness to look Howard in the eye and withstand him just like he did Shaq. Advantage Wallace. "

Also lol at this. They are about the same defensively like you said and Howard is a better offensive player but advantage Wallace because he had a look in his eye! I like that one.

You're right your team has that look like they want it. Are they hungry enough though?
 
Curious what other think.

Who is better Charles Barkley or KG?

For me its Barkley and that is pretty easy for me. But I do think its fairly close. Switch eras do you think KG is just as good going up against the 90's bigs and facing off against those guys? Do you think Barkleys game would translate to more modern game?
 
Ron Mexico said:
Curious what other think.

Who is better Charles Barkley or KG?

For me its Barkley and that is pretty easy for me. But I do think its fairly close. Switch eras do you think KG is just as good going up against the 90's bigs and facing off against those guys? Do you think Barkleys game would translate to more modern game?
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Barkley was more of a post player in his 76ers days and more of a jump shooter inside out game in Phoenix. He made a more concerted effort to shoot threes in Phoenix and Houston, but was never a consistent three shooter. He was more suited for 90’s ball in his Philly days, and a bit better suited for now later in his career. I think.

I’ve always considered KG the 4th best 4 if we are calling Duncan a 4 and Barkley 5th. I’m not sure how Barkley would handle KG’s length and athleticism while being an elite defender. I always felt KG was a better shooter too even though he didn’t shoot threes. I think he would’ve been at least as good as Barkley at shooting threes. He shot a lot out to 20ft with plenty of success. Let’s also not forget in his Minnesota days he could guard most 3’s. He even played on the wing his first 2-3 years, I forget.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Barkley was more of a post player in his 76ers days and more of a jump shooter inside out game in Phoenix. He made a more concerted effort to shoot threes in Phoenix and Houston, but was never a consistent three shooter. He was more suited for 90’s ball in his Philly days, and a bit better suited for now later in his career. I think.

I’ve always considered KG the 4th best 4 if we are calling Duncan a 4 and Barkley 5th. I’m not sure how Barkley would handle KG’s length and athleticism while being an elite defender. I always felt KG was a better shooter too even though he didn’t shoot threes. I think he would’ve been at least as good as Barkley at shooting threes. He shot a lot out to 20ft with plenty of success. Let’s also not forget in his Minnesota days he could guard most 3’s. He even played on the wing his first 2-3 years, I forget.
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We are not to far off then. You and I think it's very close. I don't think it's a big advantage either way regardless. They both have strengths that are different they would use. Plenty of length was thrown at Barkley that he handled pretty well.
 
Ron Mexico said:
We are not to far off then. You and I think it's very close. I don't think it's a big advantage either way regardless. They both have strengths that are different they would use. Plenty of length was thrown at Barkley that he handled pretty well.
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My biggest advantage is team defense. It’s far and away better. IMO.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Another big advantage is I don’t have Melo. Lol
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I dislike Melo and I know he loses you votes in these things so I wouldn't draft him. But prime Melo was really good and showed he could play very well with other stars in the Olympics. He was even decent at defense. But he is too disliked and most people are thinking of the more recent version of him.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I thought about drafting Chris Paul, but felt Thomas’s playoff success was more valuable, along with the tough minded defensive attitude was more valuable than Paul’s shooting. Feel passing is a wash along with playmaking. Felt my defensive minded philosophy would match Thomas better. Thomas proved to be clutch come playoff time. Also I know KG wasn’t a three point shooter but he could hit from the outside out to 20ft, and a great passer from the high post.

My team has every bit this as well. KG and Pippen were long athletic finishers with great playmaking and passing instincts as well as Allen and Thomas. Allen, and Pippen could run the offense just fine as well plus my team defense is better by a mile. Not sure how you come up with that conclusion
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Paul woulda been the right move. Vastly superior player to Isiah.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Curious what other think.

Who is better Charles Barkley or KG?

For me its Barkley and that is pretty easy for me. But I do think its fairly close. Switch eras do you think KG is just as good going up against the 90's bigs and facing off against those guys? Do you think Barkleys game would translate to more modern game?
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Garnett.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Curious what other think.

Who is better Charles Barkley or KG?

For me its Barkley and that is pretty easy for me. But I do think its fairly close. Switch eras do you think KG is just as good going up against the 90's bigs and facing off against those guys? Do you think Barkleys game would translate to more modern game?
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I think both of them would translate to any time.

Defense: KG>Chuck
KG was a great defender and good enough to cover-up for teammates on that side. On the other hand, Sir Charles during his peak years is generally thought of as an average defender, even though his teams were always better when he was on the floor. Chuck struggled a bit in the post, but had VERY quick feet and crazy long arms so he could stay in-front of players, contest shots, and ended possessions with elite rebounding ("Round Mound of Rebound" is one of the greatest names ever). I think of Barkley as a neutral on defense, if surrounded with bad defenders the team will be bad, if surrounded with elite defenders the team will be elite.

Offense:Barkley>KG
IMO Barkley was a better overall offensive player, but that doesn't mean he was better than KG at everything.
The most obvious advantage was fast break. Barkley is on of the best transition scorers ever, and his rebounding led to a lot of fast breaks (he could rebound and go, or outlet and go).
Barkley was a more natural scorer and better at forcing the issue. If you needed a basket, he could get the ball and make something happen.
KG was a better passer.
KG was a better mid-range shooter.
Barkley was a much better floor spacer because he had way more gravity and also was a willing (if bad) 3 pt shooter. KG flat out refused to do so (even though he played in the 3 pt era). Think Giannis vs Ben Simmons.

Overall: Barkley vs Garnett depends on team need and style of play. If I was looking for a #1 offensive player, I would take Barkley. If I needed a defensive anchor and top tier secondary offensive player I would take KG. To demonstrate, let's pretend we could take away a player from top teams and decide if the team would be better replacing them with Charles or KG:
Lakers w/out LeBron: I would take Sir Charles
Lakers w/out AD: I would take KG
Jazz w/out Gobert: I would take KG
Jazz w/out Mitchell: I would take Barkley
Bucks w/out Giannis: I would take Barkley
Houston w/out Harden: I would take Barkley
Clippers w/out Kawhi: I would probably take Barkley
Clippers w/out PG: I would take KG
 
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