2020 Free Agency Thread

[infection]

OK, please tell me how DL manages to find the worst deals ? Why did we need to use a 2nd when there were obviously teams willing to sign Tucker for nothing? Is he even calling around to see what's on the table or is he just dealing with the same 4-5 GMs he's close with? CLE, NYK, DET, it's always the same teams we are dealing with and getting fleeced by.

I'm sure some of the KOC rubbed off on him, where his strategy was to talk to nobody so as to never reveal your hand. It had been out there that KOC talked to nobody else regarding DWill. Now, I get the idea behind that, and maybe you lock in on something, but I can't help but think you can quickly get the lay of the land before pulling the trigger.

And this was the ***-chapper for me: if everyone was hot to sign this guy, how come we couldn't get someone to take him for free? Either he sucks and we're stupid, or there are people out there who will do that and we're, again, stupid.

 

[stitches]

I'm sure some of the KOC rubbed off on him, where his strategy was to talk to nobody so as to never reveal your hand. It had been out there that KOC talked to nobody else regarding DWill. Now, I get the idea behind that, and maybe you lock in on something, but I can't help but think you can quickly get the lay of the land before pulling the trigger.

And this was the ***-chapper for me: if everyone was hot to sign this guy, how come we couldn't get someone to take him for free? Either he sucks and we're stupid, or there are people out there who will do that and we're, again, stupid.

I'm serious, though. This is third deal this off-season where we sold players for negative value who were later traded/signed for positive/neutral value.

Gave up 2 seconds to get rid off Ed Davis, who then was flipped for a second rounder + Spellman and Jacob Evans.
Then we gave up a second rounder to get rid off Tony Bradley who was immediately flipped for a second rounder and Zhaire Smith.
Then we gave up a second to get rid off 300K from Tucker's salary and he's now signing the same contract with the Clippers.

 

[Ujfanatic]

For what it’s worth, Tucker’s deal with the Clippers is an Exhibit 10 deal. Not sure they would have traded for him for the amount he was guaranteed by the Jazz contract. In fact, they may not have been able to as I read they are very close to their hard cap.

 

[NAOS]

I'm serious, though. This is third deal this off-season where we sold players for negative value who were later traded/signed for positive/neutral value.

Gave up 2 seconds to get rid off Ed Davis, who then was flipped for a second rounder + Spellman and Jacob Evans.
Then we gave up a second rounder to get rid off Tony Bradley who was immediately flipped for a second rounder and Zhaire Smith.
Then we gave up a second to get rid off 300K from Tucker's salary and he's now signing the same contract with the Clippers.

Don’t all those deals look different, though, if you’ve got a mission to get below the tax line and can’t take any incoming salary?

 

[jom2003]

I'm sure some of the KOC rubbed off on him, where his strategy was to talk to nobody so as to never reveal your hand. It had been out there that KOC talked to nobody else regarding DWill. Now, I get the idea behind that, and maybe you lock in on something, but I can't help but think you can quickly get the lay of the land before pulling the trigger.

And this was the ***-chapper for me: if everyone was hot to sign this guy, how come we couldn't get someone to take him for free? Either he sucks and we're stupid, or there are people out there who will do that and we're, again, stupid.

In KOC's defense I think he made a very good deal with Nets for Dwill that gave us Favs and a third pick in the draft(though we wasted it on Kanter) Not sure anyone else could have done any better. Certainly not DL. Though some credit has to be given to Nets GM Billy King, who's now arguably one of the dumbest GMs of all time

 

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Don’t all those deals look different, though, if you’ve got a mission to get below the tax line and can’t take any incoming salary?

True to some extent but it also shows that those players had positive value to other teams. All you have to do is find the teams who feel like those players have positive value and open the bidding. Maybe you don't get the 2nd rounders back because you don't want salary back, but at the very least IMO they should have been able to spare us giving up most of those 2nds.

 

[jom2003]

Don’t all those deals look different, though, if you’ve got a mission to get below the tax line and can’t take any incoming salary?

Yeah but trading #23 for #27 and #38 in the draft which a few hours later that same #23 was flipped for #25 and #33 are exactly the same type of deal. All DL gotta do in this situation is to start talking to Twolves GM instead of......picking up the phone again when the Knicks called him about Ed. Not hard.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

For what it’s worth, Tucker’s deal with the Clippers is an Exhibit 10 deal. Not sure they would have traded for him for the amount he was guaranteed by the Jazz contract. In fact, they may not have been able to as I read they are very close to their hard cap.

So then you send them 250k in cash and no picks... oh wait... that’s right... we got cash in the deal.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

True to some extent but it also shows that those players had positive value to other teams. All you have to do is find the teams who feel like those players have positive value and open the bidding. Maybe you don't get the 2nd rounders back because you don't want salary back, but at the very least IMO they should have been able to spare us giving up most of those 2nds.

They canvass the league according to DL but they frequently only trade with like two teams. Hmmmmm

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yeah but trading #23 for #27 and #38 in the draft which a few hours later that same #23 was flipped for #25 and #33 are exactly the same type of deal. All DL gotta do in this situation is to start talking to Twolves GM instead of......picking up the phone again when the Knicks called him about Ed. Not hard.

I totally missed that the Knicks did that.

You’re in trouble if the Knicks make your organization look amateur, especially if it’s more than one time in just a couple of days.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

True to some extent but it also shows that those players had positive value to other teams. All you have to do is find the teams who feel like those players have positive value and open the bidding. Maybe you don't get the 2nd rounders back because you don't want salary back, but at the very least IMO they should have been able to spare us giving up most of those 2nds.

Or it just means the UFA pool is super small right now in regards to talent because of the weird start and teams are just taking whoever they can off the scrap heap.

If everyone knows Utah wants to get below the LT, then why would they just take him for free? Especially a West competitor.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah but trading #23 for #27 and #38 in the draft which a few hours later that same #23 was flipped for #25 and #33 are exactly the same type of deal. All DL gotta do in this situation is to start talking to Twolves GM instead of......picking up the phone again when the Knicks called him about Ed. Not hard.

Some of you are really stupid and it shows.