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Jazzta said:
I wouldn’t be so sure about him beating Bernie. Bernie’s momentum would just get stronger by the day until election day.

Frankly, I think Bernie is the guy he’s most afraid of. Trump is all about personal attacks, there’s no dirt on Bernie as far as I’m concerned.
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All Trump and the Republicans have to say is, "He's a socialist." That's it. It's over. Trump will call him a "crazy socialist," but it's the same thing. It's not as bad as Reagan vs. Fritz Mondale, but there are a few similarities.
 
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dalamon said:
let me connect the dots real nice for you— a series of failsons and megalomaniacs from the DNC have all decided to run in the centrist lane for the democratic nomination, clearing the path for a bernie victory— because they all have **** for brains and are thoroughly unqualified to be a president in 2020.

bernie will win, beat trump (as the vast amount of polls indicate), and you’ll have to tolerate people calling him the best president in history for the rest of your life.
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Okay.

But what relevance does Mike Lee and Sanders have? I’m curious why you brought that up.
 
Catchall said:
In national polls, of which there are several per day, where Independents and Republicans have zero motivation to participate. State polls are more reflective of how the individual states will vote, and even those normally underestimate Trump voters.

Bernie might win the usual New York, Calif, Washington, Oregon, Illinois maybe. Throw in Connecticut and Massachusetts. The Dems could probably run Spongebob and win those states. Bernie won't get much past 200 electoral votes, if he gets that far.
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State polls are tricky, especially this far out, but I wouldn’t be quite so confident if I were you.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Nevada.html
 
dalamon said:
Go talk to a family in Flint about how the economy is doing well. Headass.
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Flint isn’t a place we need to win over. We’ve already won that county and still lost the state in 2016. So why do we need to talk to a family there when they already most likely will vote blue? We won it in 2016. Maccomb, kent, and Ottawa we lost and it cost us Michigan. Maybe we should talk to them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan

maybe you should take a break from posting? You seem to be getting angry.
 
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The Thriller said:
Flint isn’t a place we need to win over. We’ve already won that county and still lost the state in 2016. So why do we need to talk to a family when they already most likely will vote blue? We won it in 2016. Maccomb, kent, and Ottawa we lost and it cost us Michigan. Maybe we should talk to them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan

maybe you should take a break from posting? You seem to be getting angry.
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This is exactly the kind of thinking that makes people absolutely hate Democrats fwiw.
 
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The Thriller said:
Flint isn’t a place we need to win over. We’ve already won that county and still lost the state in 2016. So why do we need to talk to a family when they already most likely will vote blue? We won it in 2016. Maccomb, kent, and Ottawa we lost and it cost us Michigan. Maybe we should talk to them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan

maybe you should take a break from posting? You seem to be getting angry.
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I normally defend you on this forum cuz I think ppl are unnecessarily harsh— but saying that we should stop giving a **** about people drinking sewage for water because “we can count on their votes” really says it all on the bleak zeitgeist of Democrat politics.

most of you truly do not deserve bernie sanders. ****, he probably realizes it himself. but, y’all need him, he realizes that, and he’s going to change the world for the better. blessings to him. I’m bowing out of this convo— looking forward to hearing about you voting for him in the general, and Colton finding a way to justify not voting bernie when this strengthens trumps chances (a politician he ‘hates’)
 
Gameface said:
I could honestly keep going, but this isn't a "well they both suck the same" situation. None of the potential Democratic candidates, nor any of the other Republicans challenging Trump, are as bad as Trump. If the choice was Trump or Pence I'd vote for Pence. If the choice was Trump or Barr I'd vote for Barr.
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Well, you're in luck. You're probably going to get all three.
 
Zombie said:
This is exactly the kind of thinking that makes people absolutely hate Democrat’s fwiw.
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why? Being more liberal in coastal areas while playing more moderate in more conservative areas is called good politics. AOC wouldn’t have won district 4 in utah but Ben McAdams did. Omar wouldn’t have won district 14 in Pennsylvania but Connor Lamb sure did.

Compare that to Misty Snow getting obliterated by Mike Lee in 2016 because he was a transgender Democratic socialist who worked at Harmon's with a college degree. Ridiculous. But running an ideologically pure candidate and getting obliterated in the election is our MO. We need to face it, if we want to beat someone like mike Lee, we need to run a conservative Democrat with credentials from one of the two major universities and they need to be mormon. Anything less than that is basically waving the white flag by nominating an unelectable candidate.

For me, I’m tired of losing. I’m fine playing politics and winning.

If we can’t run electable candidates with the ideological flexibility to relate to their unique districts and states, then we should just fold up our tents and let trump and the GOP do whatever they want. We won’t be able to compete outside of major cities and coastal areas.
 
dalamon said:
I normally defend you on this forum cuz I think ppl are unnecessarily harsh— but saying that we should stop giving a **** about people drinking sewage for water because “we can count on their votes” really says it all on the bleak zeitgeist of Democrat politics.

most of you truly do not deserve bernie sanders. ****, he probably realizes it himself. but, y’all need him, he realizes that, and he’s going to change the world for the better. blessings to him. I’m bowing out of this convo— looking forward to hearing about you voting for him in the general, and Colton finding a way to justify not voting bernie when this strengthens trumps chances (a politician he ‘hates’)
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where did I say we shouldn’t care about flint?

you said, “Go talk to a family about how well the economy is doing in Flint...”

The inference here is that we need to cater to them and listen to them to win them over. We already have. And Democrats are doing what they can to help them. What is their Democratic Governor doing to help? What about their republican legislature?

What I’m talking about is beating trump. We won’t beat trump by talking to people (like those in flint) who are already voting blue. We need to talk to people who voted for trump (or 3rd party or stayed home) last time.

It seems like you’re wanting to talk about different issues. I’m talking about running electable candidates to retain control of the house and win the senate and White House in 2020. I’m unsure what @Zombie and @dalamon are arguing about. But to clarify, in no way do I think Flint shouldn’t be rebuilt and those people be provided clean water. Soooooo... yeah.
 
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