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idestroyedthetoilet said:
You're wife's messing with you dude. How bad did she roll her eyes at you whining that someone on the internet was lying?

Either that or she's really bad at her job.
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You got it all wrong. We were just having fun mocking you. I mean, how insecure do you need to be to lie about your tax bracket?

Easy enough to resolve, just snap a photo of your paystub.
 
silesian said:
precedent say they trump destroys Bernie in the general election.

an incumbent has never lost with an economy this strong.

and a democratic socialist has never been elected.

But I think Bernie has a shot because there has never been a POTUS who is this incompetent.
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It is not at all clarifying to say a democratic socialist or a social democrat has never been elected president because the terms convey wildly different meanings and connotations today than they did 90 years ago.

Franklin D. Roosevelt was first elected president in 1932, then reelected in 1936, and then again in 1940, and again for a fourth time in 1944. FDR was the most successfully elected president in American history and the reason the Constitution was amended to limit a president to two terms. FDR would be considered a social democrat today.

Bernie Sanders not only models his agenda on an updated version of the New Deal, FDR’s signature social and economic agenda, his entire career is an effort to renew and revitalize the New Deal. FDR described himself as a liberal. Sanders is a socialist. Different words for different times, but very similar goals and agendas.
 
Jonah said:
It is not at all clarifying to say a democratic socialist or a social democrat has never been elected president because the terms convey wildly different meanings and connotations today than they did 90 years ago.

Franklin D. Roosevelt was first elected president in 1932, then reelected in 1936, and then again in 1940, and again for a fourth time in 1944. FDR was the most successfully elected president in American history and the reason the Constitution was amended to limit a president to two terms. FDR would be considered a social democrat today.

Bernie Sanders not only models his agenda on an updated version of the New Deal, FDR’s signature social and economic agenda, his entire career is an effort to renew and revitalize the New Deal. FDR described himself as a liberal. Sanders is a socialist. Different words for different times, but very similar goals and agendas.
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Bravo and we’ll done! I fully accept this critique of my oversimplification. Thank you,sir.
 
Jonah said:
It is not at all clarifying to say a democratic socialist or a social democrat has never been elected president because the terms convey wildly different meanings and connotations today than they did 90 years ago.

Franklin D. Roosevelt was first elected president in 1932, then reelected in 1936, and then again in 1940, and again for a fourth time in 1944. FDR was the most successfully elected president in American history and the reason the Constitution was amended to limit a president to two terms. FDR would be considered a social democrat today.

Bernie Sanders not only models his agenda on an updated version of the New Deal, FDR’s signature social and economic agenda, his entire career is an effort to renew and revitalize the New Deal. FDR described himself as a liberal. Sanders is a socialist. Different words for different times, but very similar goals and agendas.
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Sanders doesn’t describe himself as a “socialist”.
 
NAOS said:
Sanders doesn’t describe himself as a “socialist”.
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I just read over the post you quoted and I'm not seeing where he said that Sanders describes himself as a socialist.

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sirkickyass said:
We'll see what the numbers are after months of stories about him lionizing the soviet union and hanging out with the Sandanistas.

Bernie really has not ever had a real campaign where someone went after him for this stuff.
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imagine thinking Bernie's association with the Sandinistas is bad, in contrast to the CIA training guerrilla groups to murder priests, women, and children as good.

some absolute three-head political analysis from sirkickyass. to quote King Cy -- #hoesmad
 
silesian said:
in case anyone had a doubt:
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-provides-tax-inflation-adjustments-for-tax-year-2020
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-provides-tax-inflation-adjustments-for-tax-year-2020

“Marginal Rates: For tax year 2020, the top tax rate remains 37% for individual single taxpayers with incomes greater than $518,400 ($622,050 for married couples filing jointly). “
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But that's a marginal rate, isn't it? So you would have had to make multiple times the minimum for the 37% bracket for it to hit 37% with rounding involved. I think about 3 times the minimum, so about $1.5 million, maybe a bit more. (I don't have the energy or interest to do the math right now, so I could be way off.) And that's assuming you had no deductions to lower that.

But wait, you said, if I recall, 37.3%, so you're talking about higher than the highest tax rate.
 
colton said:
I just sent this to @The Thriller, but it's probably worth posting here as well.

From https://thebulwark.com/newsletter-issue/the-question-bernie-is-never-asked/

But here is a thing that has literally never happened on a debate stage:

Someone, anyone, saying, “Senator Sanders, you campaigned for the Socialist Workers Party at a time when they were defending the Iranian hostage taking of American citizens. What does that say about your judgment?”

Or: “Senator Sanders, you supported the Nicaraguan revolutionary and dictator Daniel Ortega. You also supported the Cuban revolutionary and dictator Fidel Castro. Both of whom terrorized their people and worked aggressively against American interests. What does that say about your judgment?”

Or: “Senator Sanders, at a time when millions of political prisoners died at the hands of the Gulag Archipelago, you went to Russia for your honeymoon and came home praising the Soviet Union. What does that say about your judgment?”

If you want to argue that the crazy Marxist stuff Bernie believed 30 years ago doesn’t matter today, that’s fine. But he should have to make that argument out loud.

He shouldn’t just get a pass where no one even asks him about it at the same time that he’s casting aspersions on people for once holding views that were comparatively mainstream and even if they were mistaken, were several orders of magnitude less pernicious than the mistaken views Sanders once espoused.

The debate moderators were absolutely derelict in not asking Sanders about this when he brought up Bloomberg’s support of George W. Bush. And the other Democratic candidates were committing political malpractice.

If they lose to this guy, they will have gotten what they deserved.​
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lmao a dude with a PhD just shared this without a shred of effort of looking into some of the info behind these claims
 
dalamon said:
imagine thinking Bernie's association with the Sandinistas is bad, in contrast to the CIA training guerrilla groups to murder priests, women, and children as good.

some absolute three-head political analysis from sirkickyass. to quote King Cy -- #hoesmad
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Is the CIA running for President?

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